Damn you O2, I will not "be more dog"! CAT PERSON 4 LIFE! And with that, let me take a moment to pay homage to Tara, the brave moggie who saved a child from being (further) mauled by an apparently free roaming dog!!! PUSSY POWER.....
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Far from great singing but it's working for me.
ReplyDeleteWillie ,at 81, is touring in a double bill with Alison Krauss& Union Station right now in the US and here's a video of his encore as well. So wish I could go!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMwZKXzP83o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-q5COJ9IZ3A
And that other Country legend Dolly Parton , at 68, is about to tour in the promotion of her new (42nd) album "Blue Smoke".
ReplyDeleteHere she is promoting it on the Today Show this week. Always good for some great quotes, a little interview followed by a performance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2aJwtnNHMk&list=LLRKzx08-FwuStc8KR-pPfDg&index=14
Aaaaw The sound of a stand up bass. So much more pleasant than electro bass. Here's Alison Krauss' big brother who is no slouch as a musician either. Wonder how he sounds singing.
ReplyDeletehttp://vimeo.com/channels/licks
I woke up extra early and Mariah is on concert on TV right now :D she is singing live and sounds very good. Of course, the songs she is singing are not challenging whatsoever, but she sounds a lot healthier and more supported than she usually does. The belting has a bit of roughness, but it's not bad at all.
ReplyDeleteSecond song is lipped. She starts singing live on top of pre-recorded track and the audio person turned down her live vocals.
ReplyDeleteOMG in the new song her live vocal came through on the pre-recorded vocal when she tried to hit a whistle tone and couldn't and it sounded awful :*( like, Christina's attempt at an octave jump in "It's a man's world" awful.
ReplyDeleteI kinda liked the disco feel of it though.
ReplyDeleteHer live vocal going in and out with the pre-recorded vocal is an awful effect. I think someone's gonna get fired.
Third song is "Always be my baby" and is live, and she sounds very good.
ReplyDeleteOh jeez, this sounds like a car crash. Best go find
ReplyDeleteLol, just saw your email!!
ReplyDeleteLOL I was impatient and anyway not sure it would inspire you to a blog entry. But if it did, of course feel free to remove this one in that case if you want. :-)
ReplyDeleteLeast this one is neither lipped nor singing along a pre-recorded track. She's a bit hoarse but totally live.
Bummed though. I understand Mariah is "singing" several songs but Dolly sang only the one.
I have one of THOSE vocal range questions (which people are tired of hearing), but I'd like some clarification, since I assume everyone here knows the voice better than I do. I feel like my throat is an enigma and I'd like some clarification.
ReplyDeleteSince I was pretty young, I've always sang in falsetto, or at least what I thought it was. I never had any real training, I just did what came natural. My speaking voice was always really light, weightless, and lacked depth.
Even through puberty, my voice remained consistently high. It wasn't until my junior year of college (last year) that my voice began to darken. However, it didn't darken all that much. It developed as a females would - changing, but only slighty (I'm male, btw). Just talking, my voice spans from about F3 to C4/D4. Speaker in my upper end is almost effortless. When I get excited, I can easy exclaim notes in the upper 5th octave - shrill, but full. One woman said I sound like Michael Jackson when speaking.
I feel like I have multiple singing voices. One could call them registers - and they probably are, but they all have their own distinct characteristics:
Lower: (Low and Full)
Middle: (Warm and Light)
Upper: (Bright and Sharp)
When I sing low, people confuse me for a Bass (not a Baritone, a Bass), because the bottom end of my voice is "unnaturally" full, and goes pretty low. B1 on a good day, but I generally stop at about E2/F2. Below that, they can sound muffled, but they're resonant, though they lack volume. As I go higher, it still feels heavy, even at higher pitches, like E4, F4,F#4, though, I've hit higher, without mixing, capping off at Bb4. This doesn't always happen though. It still feels incredibly weighty.
When I try to belt (I never know If I'm doing it right), my voice chances color completely and loses all weight, often being confused with falsetto (even by me at times). It's not airy, but it's still light. It has decent volume and resonance, but it's still fairy light. It sounds like I'm projecting falsetto (to my ears). When I try to sing in falsetto, it also has the same lighter qualities, but it's still airy. I can carry my belts up to A#5, or even a B5 if I warm up properly. I've exclaimed some really "belty" C#6s earlier this year though.
This is what I'm confused about. I've been researching my strange voice, and just based solely on readings, I should be a Lyric Light Tenor (If that's the proper term. Leggiero?), but sometimes, I get confused with a Baritone (due to singing low, and having a heavy sound, despite my lack of overall volume compared to high notes). I even called myself a Bass at times due to the ease and depth of my lower end. Nowadays, when singing in a group, I always opt into singing the lower, bottom harmonies, because there are no Basses available, as my higher notes are quite... present when singing in a group. Lower notes blend right in (given their low volume, but present resonance).
For choir, a few years back, when I asked the instructor what my voice type was, he said "Countertenor." For choir, still in what I thought was falsetto (he called it mixed voice; he knows better than I did at the time), I started out on Tenor, then he moved me to Alto, Then Soprano, then back down to Alto. I only got bumped to alto for having issue hitting F5s (I was kind of scared to higher notes that were too high).
Based on all of this information, even all the research I've done, I'm still unsure of where I fit. I feel like I'm a high something (for a guy), I'm just not sure what.
Bless you, whoever read this long post. Thank you. :p
You Don't Know What to Do is SOOOO GOOD
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciCSO1SC0qQ
ReplyDeleteNo car crash. It was okay imo.
ReplyDeleteBut for my money Dolly was more fun and more energetic. ;-)
Watcha guys think? I'm quite addicted even though it's a lil' generic ._. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGcFsXmisQQ
ReplyDeleteIt is! *squeals*
ReplyDeleteI made this video a month ago should anyone is interested. I have ABSOLUTELY NO knowledge about vocal range and notes, but for my fave, I learn the very (READ: VERY) basic things. I had help of course, so tell me what you think. :D At 34 minutes, currently it is the longest HD video for a live vocal range on YouTube. That explains why it took me almost 3 years to complete it. =="
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYXtFWRmW0c
I think you are making it way too complicated just for complication's sake.
ReplyDeleteWhat is the range you can actually sing with control and project that could be heard CLEARLY from at least 10 feet away?
Also, a recording would help.
She was actually good, it's the new song that was lipped and someone messed it up bad by not muting the live vocals when Mariah attempted a high note and was quite terrible.
ReplyDeleteComfort, for me, is spotty. I can sing very low some what comfortably, and very high comfortably. However, I feel uncomfortable singing middle notes. Generally, I sing high, though. Usually G3 to G5.
ReplyDeleteAlso, I've been completely unsure of my passagio, as I had no idea where it started and where it ended. (Please, clarify how to find it in case I'm wrong, because I'd really like to know). I BELIEVE it begins at D or D#, but I try not to carry my voice too high, so it should end at between F#4-G#4, which is odd to me, because I tend to shy away from G4 and G#4, as it feels like I'm pushing, no just singing.
It may be higher or lower, I really don't know.
I was surprised at the fact that she didn't look like she was struggling with the notes as per usual. She was on her game even if she lipped a little.
ReplyDeleteFrom pure description you sound like a conundrum. Some audio would definitely help. Even though your range is very large unless you can sing high with ease and control I wouldn't necesserily call you a countertenor. Unless of course the unease is from nerves.
ReplyDeleteAt this point it's up to more skilled people to do the job, I am too dumb for this but you sound like a tenor to me :P
ReplyDeleteI know vocal range isn't notes isn't notes that you can makes. While my range isn't entirely connected from top to bottom, those are all the pitches I can with (hence why I omitted the C#6 from my voice, and only called it exclusionary.)
ReplyDeleteIf I were to write out all the pitches I sing with on the day to day basis, I'd be E2 to A#5. My range is just naturally large, which is why I'm confused. I've got a lot going on at one time.
As of this post, I just sang all of the vowels on F#5/G5/G#5.
I can record on my phone. The problem would be getting it to you from off the phone (another issue all together - I'll figure it out.)
I don't get ppl that say it was a whistle note. It was very clearly meant to be a falsetto. The note didn't sound abysmal either haha
ReplyDeleteCould somebody tell me when Whitney, Celine And Mariah's vocal primes were??? And who was the better singer between them three!!! I rly would like to know!
ReplyDeleteI'm trying to get a recording now (I'm not the best singing, I just wish to get better so you may not like what you hear. :p).
ReplyDeleteIt was nerves - I was the only guy in a room full of woman who could singing the upper portions of the alto parts with ease. F got a little tense, but once I'd leave class, it feel easier. Probably because there was less pressure to singing a high notes - I could just do what I wanted.
Well, how about you record to your computer on webcam, you can have the lights off so we can't see you. But stand 10 feet from the computer, and vocalize the range you are saying. Then we'll have a clearer understanding where your natural tessitura actually lays.
ReplyDeleteI guess at this point I'm coming across as a whiny B&*(h but can we for a minute discuss where the tone of this site has gone? It's not as bad as it once was I admit that...there was a time where you had to come in to the comments section sword in hand to defend yourself from vulgar slurs and attacks. But as of late I have began to notice that a lot of the comments tend to be judgmental and negative. The use of shade is at an all time high and positivity comes across pretty cheeky. I'm excited to see new commentators on the disqus timeline because I know how some of the visitors of the site who don't comment as often tend to avoid it due to how B&*(y and Shady reception can be. Some might say that they have the freedom to their own opinions therefor if someone can't handle it then they shouldn't be here. Well I think that's very selfish and irresponsible. I have my own moments where I have to step back and see what Ive said is wrong and Im grateful that I have strong enough of a moral compass to see where I need to end it. But honestly looking at some of these conversations has me laughing with anxiety because I can't believe some people think this way. Its sad to know that some of the original lovers of the site don't visit as often or don't share as much of their own insight due to this...but I'm hoping maybe it'll change for the better? I don't know maybe this is just an embarassing tyrannical idealistic rant that no one will pay attention too. But I just felt like I had to get that off my chest somewhere so why not in the battle field. :p
ReplyDeleteI thought she was really good, only that one new song seemed to be lipped. The rest seemed to be live and very good.
ReplyDeleteThe note is not that video you posted though.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btfdq0Zh770 This the video, go to 0:50, you'll hear the failed top note on top of the pre-recorded vocals.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.today.com/video/today/55190954
ReplyDeleteAlso inserting this little gem.
If you feel you are not a good singer yet you really shouldn't be worrying about your range. The range is just one element of what makes someone a vocalist. Worry about solidifying your middle voice, and for a male the middle voice is the notes between D3-F4. If the middle voice is healthy, well supported and well tuned, the rest of the voice will follow.
ReplyDeleteOoh, Siti Nurhaliza. She's not bad, but I heard it from my teacher whose son works with her that apparently she is a heavy smoker.
ReplyDeleteI'd like to leave here a video of the best brazilian singer of all time...Elis Regina. m.youtube.com/watch?v=6kVBqefGcf4
ReplyDeletePeople tend to be festively aggressive and offensive online, on any message board, not just this one :P
ReplyDeleteSharkeishakitty SLAY SLAY SLAY!!!!! ^^^^^
ReplyDeleteI know but the commentators themselves on this sight weren't always this way...coming from someone who's been here for years. Its much fiestier on her than it once was.
ReplyDeleteTechnically better vocalist?
ReplyDeleteI'd say Aretha's prime was 60's to mid-late 70's
Mariah early 90's, Whitney late 80's/early 90's.
She is? I've heard rumours like that years before, and she has put it to rest, but who knows. Lol!
ReplyDelete"Singing for the stars" by Seth Riggs
ReplyDeleteMariah is, in my opinion, the best of the three. She has the widest range, her technical ability at least matches the other two, and she's capable of doing things the other two aren't.
ReplyDeleteHere's some rough videos. You can be as blunt as you want to. I didn't warm up (too much), just did it for testing purposes. Slaughter away. :)
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PU4T2de1wg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-a3qP8n2p5I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANsUb-p5Hwc
And the one of me singing random songs wont upload. Sorry. :/
I always say I'm bad lol
ReplyDeleteI don't think I'm the worst singing in the world, but I'm not John Legend. Lets put it that way.
I uploaded some videos above. :)
I'm more than happy for this discussion to happen, but I'd like to know if i have had anything to do with the shift in tone? You are also right about people- from the old guard - not commenting anymore because of fear of being jumped upon, as I've been told as much. Its tough to strike a balance.
ReplyDeleteWhitney Houston:
ReplyDeleteVocal Prime - 1983 - 1994.
Vocal Peak - 1985 - 1992.
Notable Vocal Pro's - Technique, Vocal Dynamics, Improvisational Ability/Interpretive Wit.
Notable Performance - I Am Changing (San Francisco - 1986)
Mariah Carey:
Vocal Prime - 1990 - 2001.
Vocal Peak - 1990 - 1997.
Notable Vocal Pro's - Musicianship, Technique & Range.
Notable Performance - If It's Over (Grammy's - 1992)
Celine Dion:
Vocal Prime - 1990 - 2002.
Vocal Peak: 1992 - 1999.
Notable Vocal Pro's - Stamina (Sustaining notes) & Diction.
Notable Performance - Imagine (Jay Leno - 1992)
Overall, Whitney Houston & Mariah Carey are vocal counterparts. Albeit each of them posses their own specific & signature abilities that outweigh the other, essentially, they were very much equal throughout their vocal primes. Whereas I do respect Celine Dion as a singer and though her voice may be in "better condition" today, as a vocalist, she doesn't equate to Whitney or Mariah in the slightest in either technicality or musicality and never will.
I don't know where the old post went, but I've uploaded the video above.
ReplyDeleteI broke out the tuner, to be clear. My projected range in the video, with a margin of tuner error, is E2-G#5/A5. Some lower notes the tuner couldn't pick up as well.
Wow you really do carry quite a bit of weight down low. I have no idea what to say. :/ Its not as easy as saying "Oh you're a tenor with a really good bottom drop!" or "Oh you're a baritone with a higher extension!" You sing with connected headvoice and you can bring it up really high. But at the same time your bottom notes aren't quite bass but they also aren't countertenory either. My rough non professional guess would be some sort of higher baritone or tenor with a steely upper register.
ReplyDeleteSee why I'm confused! lol
ReplyDeleteHave you heard of Eric Vetro?
ReplyDeleteI came across this video on youtube of Lily Allen singing The Lady is A Tramp. I think someone might have posted it on her vocal profile but I'm not sure. I was a bit surprised to hear something a bit different from her. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEHBBcSgq9Y
ReplyDeleteCeline is greater than mariah in every way. Lol, what re you saying? Celine has a much better technique and control over her voice than mariah, mariah's live performances are horrible most of the time and celine can sing better live! Listen to loved me back to life performances, there better than any mariah performance in years so... yh. BYE.
ReplyDeleteLOL you talk crap with no receipts. Mariah back in the day demolishes Celine vocally anytime.
ReplyDeleteNo, you are wrong...
ReplyDeleteAre you going to justify your ill- logic for why you believe that Celine Dion's voice is "greater" than Mariah Carey's or shall I do it for you? Would you like for me to describe the various elements of Celine's poor technique? Okay...
By and large, she tends to stop resonating post- Eb5 and, sometimes, even D5. After that her belts take on a very thin & nasal quality. Her placement, too, is very poor; the tension in her throat is extremely evident when she transitions into the upper limits of her range as her larynx frequently protrudes upwards. Her register co-ordinations are so uneven that any note above F5/F#5 sound like head-notes rather than, actual, chest-dominant belts and her lack of musicianship & interpretive ability only add weight to the argument that she is an "amateur vocalist" [albeit respectable singer] and has no business being to compared to the likes Mariah Carey and especially prime- Whitney Houston.
Today, Mariah's tonal dynamics may have suffered incredibly due to her nodules and overuse of her falsetto, hence her range & endurance inconsistency, but her technique is still thoroughly intact. Mariah can actually "phrase" words within her upper register [F5+] and has far more natural- ease, control & fluidity in, virtually, every area of her voice.
BYE.
But celine's voice is bigger than mariahs, if you put them side by side today you will see that, she has more power. Mariahs strains alot too, more than celine. Listen to I want to know what love is and you will hear it. mariahs voice ain't all that. You're not that right!
ReplyDeleteCeline Dion - Water and a Flame (Live Bercy 2013) - One of the bonus tracks from CD/DVD Une seule sois http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JUDDIV3RBU
ReplyDeleteYou've returned?
ReplyDeleteWell, once again, you are WRONG.
1) Mariah Carey has the timbre of a 'Light- Lyric whereas Celine has the timbre of a 'Full- Lyric' thus, naturally - yes, the latter voice will be able to produce a much greater column of sound. However Celine's volume output would still pale in comparison to Mariah's amplitude & projection. Mariah's vocal power comes from her placement and the technique used (not the voice itself), which provides a more resonant sound in the mid-to-upper belts where, in her prime most notably, she was capable of making them bold and robust.
2) Mariah's vocals on 'I Want To Know What Love Is were not "strained". Why? Because her voice, particularly her belts, were "resonant" throughout the entire song. If a sound is strained that means it LACKS resonance - you cannot strain and have a resonant sound. An example of a strained, non-resonant sound would be Celine's infamous F5 note on 'All By Myself'. That note was thin, cold and pinched with no warmth or color to be found whatsoever and it possessed no 'ring' in terms of harmonics; her sound was ill-placed, as it was centered within the throat, hence its coarseness. Also, she has NEVER sung the note in it's original key, neither the sustained D5 at the end of the 'Power of Love' or the E5's on 'My Heart Will Go On'.
Sorry but just no on Celine musicianship and interpretive ability being less than Whitney. Imo it's quite the other way around. And of course when it comes to those...Streisand overshadows all three ladies mentioned. But as usual she gets left out of the quation entirely. *rolls eyes*
ReplyDeleteAs is Bassey btw.
Yes, Barbra Streisand is, indeed, a vocal force within her own right and is a stronger vocalist but she is not involved within this topic of conversation - as it's about Whitney, Mariah & Celline - so her abilities are irrelevant.
ReplyDeleteand ze orizinal https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TB4OCbYPSD4
ReplyDeleteis this a to-do list for me?
ReplyDeleteI don't think it rates as ''great'' though. I think if an unknown singer would deliver the exact same,including the use of backtrack and lipping, this would impress many for anything but tone.
ReplyDeleteI reiterate... for my money Dolly was more fun and more energetic.
My remark went to the fact that she was ,as usual not included in the topic in the first place.:-)
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