JoJo is finally free from the controlling contract she had with Blackground Records!! Pop that champagne cork, people! But before you glug away, you should also know she's now signed to Atlantic Records. These guys aren't renowned for pushing artists in any big way, so don't expect the moon and the stars from this partnership. You only need to look at their handling of Delilah/ K. Michelle/Marina and the Diamonds/Santigold to notice a trend in artists being basically left to push their own projects.
Still, at least it means we'll be getting new music from the singer! And I'm thinking it'll be sooner rather than later as they'd likely be wanting to capitalise on the media attention and goodwill this news has generated for the singer.
Read more details over at Latimes.com
Thoughts?
Great now lets hopefully she will be allowed to be an authentic artist and release singles and an image of her choice.
ReplyDeleteSame level I find both of them overrated.
ReplyDeleteThis is off-topic but is this man a tenor or a baritone? I think he's a light lyric tenor but he sounds like a baritone... Kinda like frank ocean. WTH. I'm confused. Thanks...
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDD3swbqrRw
Pitch in all a Baritone maybe a high Baritone, but Baritone non the less
ReplyDeleteLol, I did post a song of mine that was reggae. I'm coming out with a heavily Caribbean influenced EP. It would have been heavily African influenced but I dont have recourses like that...lol
ReplyDeleteLol, wrong person.
ReplyDeleteNo. He is far from a Light- Lyric Tenor. He is an underdeveloped Light- Lyric Baritone (Baryton-Martin).
ReplyDeleteLight- Lyric Baritones are often misplaced & misjudged (to the untrained ear) due to the perceived lightness of their voice - and their limited lower registers when placed against other (heavier) Baritones - as they tend to possess a tonal colouring akin to that of a Tenor; however, their tessitura and overall tonal quality are that of a Baritone's. Interestingly enough though, in Opera, they are the only voices within the Baritone Fach that could be trained to become comfortable Tenor's, if done correctly, due to their range and bright head voice/falsetto - they can climb as high as B4/C5 in full voice generally.
The average Baritone, if untrained; whether he be a Full- Lyric, Kavalier [Spinto] or Verdi/Dramatic should be able to carry a resonant sound, with solid volume & projection, into the D2/E2 or F2/G2 region of their lower register whereas the average Tenor & Light- Lyric Baritone (except “rare” Heldentenor’s) tends to lose resonance around the A2/Bb2 or B2/C3 region. This man lost resonance below D3. Other examples of varied Light- Lyric Baritones in Pop music would be Michael Buble, Frank Ocean, Maxwell, Sam Cooke & Luther Vandross for instance. Glad I could help...
They're both... OVER-RATED. One is a mini- Christina Aguilera and the other carries, absolutely, no resonance in her voice until she hits F5+ and even then it's subpar. YAWN/NEXT/BYE.
ReplyDeleteTechnically speaking, this Woman beats them both and she is within the same age region
(Sidenote: Her Lower Register on this song (Bb2 - F3) is absolutely STUNNING).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8UoKi4RjGc
Devonte explained you, she's far from a ligh lyric tenor. Some examples of light lyric tenors are these ones:
ReplyDeleteBruno Mars: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toSWIFioFmw
Danniel O'Donoghue: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKtZIcVODlM
Adam Levine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOOwAZyO5N0
The next decade of stars:
ReplyDeleteJojo, Released from a Record Deal that hasn't really tried to hone her vocal abilities
Demi, A powerhouse although Jojo might beat her in every region of the voice
Tamar, A really great singer who with time will be able to hone her definitive spot in History
Ariana, I'm not sure... she's over-rated
DEMI ALL THE WAY FOR ME!! These are some more leverage to support my case ;)
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4UKzab-nX4&list=PLCBYicnTx84oRFWj90OmaWkO7blTSaFrV&index=3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXaNGWd6gz4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omSkRoMHu8Q&list=PLCBYicnTx84oRFWj90OmaWkO7blTSaFrV&index=30
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44IX9c8qCzg&list=PLCBYicnTx84oRFWj90OmaWkO7blTSaFrV&index=55
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHy1qOgYIj4
PLEASE people, don't take 2013 to much into account when we judge Demi. The first half she was always sick, and in the summer she removed her tonsils and never rested so they could heal, so 2013 was NOT a good year for Demi, vocally. She was for the first time in her live pitchy that year. She lost range and power in the upper chest notes. She got some on her latest consert. Finally hit the F5 with some real power. But still, she is far from 2012 level... So yeah.. Be kind to my god ;)
Ariana may be overrated in general, but on this site she is heavily underrated. She's really constantly being bashed.
ReplyDeleteDemi's definitely not a terrible singer, but in terms of live singing, Ariana wins hands down. She just seems to have more control over her voice (be it with or without resonance). Demi often goes pitchy, screamy, whatever it may be.
I also kind of dislike Demi's tone to be honest. It's kind of unique, I'll give her that, but it's not (personally) not to my likings.
Its like I wanna be a fan of Tamar but when I learn she's 36, its off putting...And have you seen hot sugar? Shit was real' bad.. -_-
ReplyDeleteDemi is better an artist overall, but technically Ariana is better. Either way, Demi wins in every aspect.
ReplyDeleteLows -- Demi. Ariana can't project below an F#3 with enough resonance.
Mids -- Demi's are fuller and a lot more resonant.
Upper Belts -- Demi. Ari's are a lot rounder in size, but Demi's are twice as resonant.
Head Voice -- Ariana, but even then I prefer Demi's. The nasality of Ariana's head voice can get annoying, but that's subjective. Demi's is too underdeveloped.
When you talk about live performances, Demi wins by a long shot. Ariana's are just soooooo damn boring. I think we all know who the real winner is here.
Mind you, I don't hate Ariana. Her songs are catchy and she can sing, no doubt. But relative to Demi...? Demi takes the gold.
MY goosebumps got goosebumps!!
ReplyDeletekeep me posted! Love to hear MOAR! https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQdwlDDtsTyiTHPTWg6Z7zb3ItcOuukxeI7qegw37kadc9e_zKm
ReplyDeleteLOL, I know this has nothing to do with it but this was a never released song from Jazmine Sullivan where she uses her voice in an....interesting way...LOL All I gotta say is I love this track..
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mv9RysqSB4
Umm. Coming from a dramatic Bari I don't think he's a lyric Baritone. Just a regular Baritone. I think Lyric Bari's have less weight to the voice and also ascend more seamlessly than he does.
ReplyDeleteOh DD...how evil you are. :p
ReplyDeleteMy own personal Bias would be Ariana. She has very little resonance and projection to her voice but her vocals are never harsh. Demi tends to throat it as she ascends and definitely gets really harsh in sound. Not as bad as Christina but definitely not proper in technique. Arianas falsetto is her strongest point in my opinion and definitely outshines Demi's strengths. But thats just me.
He sounds light-lyric to me. He just has fair rasp to look past.
ReplyDeleteWell the only true lyric Baritone I have listened to before is Seth Macfarlane and they don't seem to share much similarity. In Comparison James has more tension and less power as hes going up compared to Seth. Then again it could just be Seths training that makes his voice so strong and balanced. I don't listen to many male singers lol.
ReplyDeleteAlso, James seems to be a light-lyric tenor rather than a Baritone. As I've done more research, Light-lyrics come in different shapes and colors much like light-lyric sopranos and light-lyric mezzos.
ReplyDeleteIm happy for her but I kind of feel like her contracts made her miss her biggest chance at being the biggest she could be. When "Too little Too late" first came out when I was little it was EVERYWHERE. Jojo was the talk of the scene like Christina, Brit, P!nk, etc. even though she was way younger and people were comparing her to greats like Mariah and Whitney (I mean they still do which is ridiculous but that's another topic). She had the perfect opportunity to ride the success train while it was still rolling but she kind of disappeared for awhile and she's considered to many of my generation as "Old News". I mean even when Disaster came out hardly anyone in my town had even heard of it and the radio stations never played it. Im hoping that now she's free she can finally make the music she loves and not have to worry about the label yanking at her chains. I really want her to do well and come out with a monster album.
ReplyDeleteWell, Seth MacFarlane is a, highly, well-rounded & trained Full- Lyric Baritone with a Darker timbre although not near Dark enough to categorize him as a Kavalier or Dramatic Baritone.
ReplyDeleteAlthough I see you're point, all in all, James Arthur is a Light- Lyric Baritone; an extremely underdeveloped one at that. He possesses a tonal quality akin to that of Sam Cooke & D'angelo, fellow Light- Lyric Baritones with Raspy textures - thus making him much harder to distinguish but his voice, overall, is comprised of everything you would come to expect off of a Light- Lyric Baritone. He doesn't sing within a Tenor's tessitura at all but his lower register isn't very Baritonal in color either - it is very hollow below C3. However, modally speaking, he can sing higher than that of a A natural with relative ease - signifying that he is indeed a High- Baritone - but he becomes tense around Bb4/B4 (in some instances) thus proving that he hasn't developed an honest technique yet but, if he did, there'd be a clear extension that could, I presume, extend to a bold C5/C#5. Also, he generally sings within the key of B- flat of which is a designated key for your average Baritone.
I feel like everyone here has already determined all the technicalities of both chanteuses voices, so I think we can go past that and move on to style and artistry. I wish there was a "both" option, because I love them both. I think it's always hard to pick which artist you like more when you thoroughly enjoy both. I do find myself more drawn to Demi's voice though, with her husky voice and "raw" sounding vocals. And I like Demi's songs a little bit more, they just feel so much more emotional to me, grown up. Ariana gives me a lovesick schoolgirl vibe, which isn't bad. Demi's said that she really loves Ariana and would love to collaborate in the future though.
ReplyDeleteI don't think anyone's mentioned this yet though, but Ariana sang a demo for a Demi song off of Unbroken: You're My Only Shawty. So I guess it'd be interesting to see how both artists contrast against each other singing the same song. And both artists have covered All I Want For Christmas. I know Ariana liked covering songs in live chats, and Demi likes covering songs in concerts, so there might be some other songs they've both sung.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb1kqNApZuA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH3y9pbodkE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pe0zeLj8A0Y
My body is sooooo ready. Blackground Records can leave (get out) because she's coming for all the wigs. I'm hoping she's coming with the great R&B/Pop stuff from her mixtapes rather than the damn pop/rock shit the label kept pushing. After 7 years I'm sure she's got some A+ material up her sleeve and getting ready to unleash it upon all of us.
ReplyDeleteI can't get enough of her her face... She's like one of those people with those faces that just make you think their a bad ass but in all honesty their soft little baby pumas.
ReplyDeleteYESSSSS! Jojo honestly is a much better singer than both of them in every aspect aside from belting (primarily the upper register). Such an underrated vocalist.
ReplyDeleteLook at her eyebrow game though... That shit is serious.... Then the catty smokey eye and the sweeping side do just gets to me... She looks...its hard to explain just...so...fucking...bad...ass....
ReplyDeleteThey tie, sort of. In terms of resonance and better placement, during Unbroken Era, Demi's level of vocal ability far supplanted what Ariana's shown. Now? She's off her mark. They arguably tie. They're both inconsistent and have a huge number of things to work on such as intonation, support and evening out their scales.
ReplyDeleteThe person I prefer would unquestionably be Demi Lovato. I feel as though her voice has scary potential. What I heard during her Debut Album/Camp Rock and Unbroken, it proved to me that she could possibly rise to be one of the best vocalists. Ariana does seem to have one of those limitless voices, but to me it's very generic and Karaoke. But their level of technicality is about the same if you're measuring their absolute best. Right NOW, Ariana seems to be a cleaner technical vocalist.
A) Congratulations
ReplyDeleteB) WHY, WHY, WHY did she sign with 'Atlantic Records'? I, at least, thought that she would have signed with 'Def Jam, Colombia, Interscope or Capitol Records'. 'Lil Wayne's: Y.M.C.M.B, Rick Ross: Maybach Music or even P.Diddy's: Dirty Money' would have been been much better & stronger contenders for mainstream success but...Atlantic Records?
It was a successful label in the 1960's/70's with Aretha Franklin, Marvin Gaye, Al Green, Led Zeppelin, Phil Collins, Foreigner, Rod Stewart and other artists etc. but those days have, clearly, passed and their last ARGUABLE successful artist was with James Blunt - eight years ago.
All in all, I wish her the best. She is, so, extremely talented and deserves another chance at mainstream success.
FINALLY, SHE'S RELEASED FROM THIS HORRIBLE CONTRACT! In this interview, she says that she wants to make the album of her life. She wants to touch people's hearts. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2frJ63LdaA
ReplyDeleteShe probably is going to come out with a song like "Hollywood" that explains everything. THE TRUTH.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cZq6zBNepE
I don't know anyone that's doing good on Atlantic Records except for Bruno Mars. Atlantic did exceptionally well back then in the 90s with Brandy. At least it's not "Wackground" anymore, anything is better than that. I REALLY HOPE HER ALBUM IS UNIVERSALLY ACCLAIMED & DOES WELL ON THE CHARTS! I'm ready for multiple eargasms.
ReplyDeleteDisaster sold pretty well with hardly any promotion. And her mixtape Agape had a lot of downloads too. So I think she'll do well. Hopefully she does!
ReplyDeleteJojo "disappeared" because she wanted to finish out high school IIRC, it didn't have to do with label drama. The situation flared up once she decided to release after taking a break.
ReplyDeleteShe is still REALLY YOUNG. 23 years old only, with so much experience. She started at a young age too. So she definitely can get back! Katy perry & Lady gaga are how old? I mean, most people WILL Remember her if they hear her name, with too little too late & leave get out.
ReplyDeleteWell, judging by live performances of the last year - Ariana hands down. I think she gets a lot of hate on this website for her Mariah-esque qualities. But her song "Honeymoon Avenue" really sealed the deal with me. Gorgeous song with stellar vocals. And she performs it excellently live. Demi has had so many pitchy performances, especially those awful "Heart Attack" performances and that one X Factor stint. Besides that, it's common knowledge that I simply don't like her. She's incredibly overrated. When she can sing in key, she should give me a call. Peace!
ReplyDeleteBoth are technically ok vocalists, but I feel both are rather reductive, faux, eau de of another artist. Arianna is very much eau de Mariah and Demi is very much an improved but unoriginal mini Christina Aguilera.
ReplyDeleteHardcore Jojo fan, she's gonna come back and show them both how it's done.
ReplyDeleteWhy is it off putting that she's 36 years old? You only follow singers who are teenagers or college age?
ReplyDeleteJoJo is also a wannabe Christina Aguilera (though vastly improved).
ReplyDeleteFinally! I'm so happy for her. I obsessed over her debut and The High Road album (LOVE). Such a great voice.
ReplyDeleteI'm a tenore dramatico d'agilita and I can project as low as Db2 :D
ReplyDeleteThough operatically I can project down to F2.
Its more so how she acts... Ratchet (like my mom) and I just don't think its the most appropriate (I try to get my mom to stop but you might can get the girl out the ghetto but not the ghetto out the girl), and GAWD, I gotta take her in small dosages. LOL.
ReplyDeleteAnd when my mom argues with me, she even says that dumb ass "dot com" shit and it drives me insane...... Tamar is putting a rift in this already dysfunctional family with her rachetness... I see too much of her... LOL.... I miss the days when my mom thought she was Mariah Carey....now she thinks she's Tamar and IDK how long I can deal....
OK, my voice has been going through the struggle. I've been changing focus on my voice, been focusing on my middle for the most part and strengthening my mid-belt so I can carry even more volume without much effort as well as singing comfortably in my falsetto, generally staying between Eb3-Eb5. Everything in my modal register between Eb3-A4 is easier than its ever been but the ease I had in the extremes of my belting register has been shrinking. I've went from being able to belt some very chesty F#5s and G5s to down to F5s and E5s that are smaller in size and just feel odd. Not particularly strenuous but their not as free or chest dominant as they were just a few weeks ago.
ReplyDeleteAlso, I've been loosing notes on my lower end. I could sing A#1s/B1s with actual chest quality and darkness but now, anything below F2/E2 feels like vocal fry. My timbre seems to be constant though and I haven't had a color change in over a year so that's good.
But what the hell is going on? I mean it feels like a trade off. I can sing free and open upper chest belts with crazy chest tones into the 5th octave with a screwed up passagio or bridge my passagio and have a healthy transition to my upper chest with a slight loss in quality of my upper notes. Is there any way I can maintain a healthy transition over my cake region without the loss of my G5s LOL...I know its already enough range but I'm greedy as hell and I like attacking people with it.
can u help me find my voice type. i dont know. i just did a short rendition which btw is very bad but i think its enough for u to hear the qualities. if u need me to do more i can. plz help me figure my voice classification
ReplyDeletehttps://soundcloud.com/guy-with-a-face/voice-type
hi i wanna get help from someone who knows about voice fachs. i dont know mine so please help me out if u can. i know for certain my voice isnt agile so when i do runs there messy n wat not. dont know my range but i can sort of sing low. my voice feels heavy n thats about all i have so far. i could sing high but i dontlike to and its out of my comfort zone. i usually start off low. thats like the home place for my voice i guess
ReplyDeletehttps://soundcloud.com/guy-with-a-face/voice-type
As I listen, I'm listening for three things - weight, range, and colour. You said that your voice isn't flexible - I think it could be pretty flexible given some practise - your pitch lacks accuracy in certain sections, and you need to smooth out that vibrato - it sounds a little wild right now.
ReplyDeleteAs for actual type, you didn't really give me a lot to work with. The weight of your voice from what I heard is rather light, though there were some sections that indicated a heavier voice. The range strayed from an F2 to a C4, which I suppose would be your comfort zone. This would indicate either a baritone, or even a tenor without training. The lowest notes lacked the resonance that even an untrained bass would have, so that's out.
The colour of your voice tended towards the lighter side, but again, in some parts, there was a darkness to the timbre.
Overall, I would call you a lyric baritone. If you could show a bit of your higher range, and a bit more power, that would also help determine the type.
Well, yes, of course. Dramatic- Tenor's (as well as Heldontenor's) can, and do tend to, have much bolder lower extensions due to their lower tessitura's that can permeate the Baritone fach but your "average" Tenor are generally 'Light- Lyrics, Full- Lyrics or Spinto's' and rarely, if ever, a true Dramatic or Heldon - in both an Operatic & Pop context - which is why I didn't highlight them.
ReplyDeleteHowever, Db2 is fantastic for even a Dramatic Tenor; F2/G2, as you said, is as low as they can often go with full resonance & color. I'm sure you could also go much lower than that I presume? I'm a Dramatic Baritone and can go as low as an audible D2 but that's my limit thus far.
Also, in my opinion, Dramatic- Tenor's can, and tend to have, two very different but efficient timbre's: Rich & Dark in color or Bright yet Steely, with a lot of Squillo, in quality. Which one would you best ascribe to your voice?
ReplyDeleteIDK, I honestly suck with males but I'd be inclined to say high lyric baritone but I haven't heard the entirety of your voice. I pretty much sound like that when I'm not belting, then when I start belting I get boyishly bright so I'd recommend you do a audio sample of you singing something that shows off more of your chest register.
ReplyDeleteUGH, both of you have lower voices than I... I'd stab a bitch just to become a baritone.... Being a tenor is just boring me to death.
ReplyDeleteAll in all, I'd say, from initial presumption, that you were an underdeveloped 'Lyric- Baritone' of some sort; it is placed low just as your speaking voice is. (I like your timbre by the way)
ReplyDeleteWithin this clip, you were definitely singing within the tessitura of a Baritone - C3/D4 I'd say - and your lower- middle voice does seem to posses a light Baritonal color. Also, at 1:23, it sounded like you hit a hollow yet audible G#2 which tells me that you definitely have an immature lower extension. However, I'd need to hear the quality of your upper-register and the range that you have up there; post- G4 perhaps. If your voice brightens considerably and continues to do so as you ascend then there may be a slight chance that you are a very 'Low- Lyric Tenor' (but not quite) as it isn't nearly effeminate to classify as a Light- Lyric Tenor nor is it warm & bright yet strong enough to classify as a Full- Lyric Tenor. However, if you are able to maintain the same amount of weight and color as you did in your mid-voice and not be able to peak any higher than an A4 - B4, in full voice and without resorting to a head/falsetto- oriented mix, then you are most definitely a Lyric Baritone. :)
uhhhhhhh jojo is a muuuuuuuuuuch better singer than christina
ReplyDeletechristina is just loud and obnoxious when it comes to her execution of runs
jojo is a way better vocalist
plus i agree 100% jojo beats them she seems to be a fusion of the pros that demi and ariana have to offer with her own twist of course
this post is NOT about "artistry" or "originality"
ReplyDeleteits strictly about who is the better singer
and in my personal opinion ariana beats demi hands down
based solely on technique demi can't touch ariana
plus i just find demi's too punchy and unrefined
i also find demi's upper belts to be uncontrolled and upper belts seem to be effortless for ariana
demi in by no means is not a bad singer i just feel as though she is horrendously overrated
also ariana is much more equipped and skilled to handle live performances - demi is more of a studio artist
I also find demi's runs to be extremely messy whereas ariana's are super precise and accurate
Part of being a great singer is having your own sound. Otherwise one is no better than any filipino karaoke impersonator such as Regine Velasquez.
ReplyDeleteIf demi is anything she is a mini kelly Clarkson. She is a rocker chick and has always said she's Kellys biggest fan.
ReplyDeleteCan i just say that I'm so tired of the young artist in the Music business? we need someone fresh and different. Most of this generation's artists are reductive
ReplyDeleteThank you for that one.... I know shit about anything other than tenors and women voice types...LOL.
ReplyDeleteLOL. Well, that's ironic considering the fact that I only know about and have studied Male vocal fachs - Tenor/Baritone/Bass - and their sub-types. In general, I am not very much in depth with that of Female voices (unless they are Mezzo-Soprano's or Contralto's as I CANNOT STAND most Soprano's).
ReplyDeleteI hate sopranos too....well used to...then I heard Janelle Monae and she changed my opinions on them...LOL...
ReplyDeleteBut since I don't know anything about male voices, do you mind helping me out with my own. I've been told be people everywhere that I'm a budding spinto tenor but I'm not sure. I do have some metal in my voice and I can get very large but I'd expect a spinto tenor to have a more developed lower register than mine.
That clip of her live singing shows pretty much all we need to know. That slide up the scale just had me. mmmhmmm!! :p
ReplyDeleteThis girl is truly talented and a much needed change in an industry that is getting tired and jaded with its flock of mediocre talent and non-singers. Her tone is pretty and current too!
I'd take her any day over Demi/Ariana/Miley/Rihanna/Katy/Lorde/Carrie Underwood and the Co.
Well, first and foremost, I have to say that you have a very unique timbre. I like it; it reminds me of Bob Marley. Your voice, overall, withholds a noble- tenoral quality and a coloring that is much more cold & tense, with a 'ring', that isn't commonly found in Full- Lyric Tenor's but it isn't atypically dark neither - this was clear to me between 1:35 - 2:45 when you began ascending higher into your mid-register.
ReplyDeleteI, personally, think that you are an immature 'Spinto- Tenor' (of whom is on the lighter side) as you posses the brightness & height of a Full- Lyric Tenor but there is also a metallic edge to your upper register that a true Full- Lyric Tenor cannot attain which indefinitely places you within the Spinto category although I'm not sure how great your staying power & volume would be when singing overt dramatic passages. Nonetheless, if your passagi breaks between D4 - G4, a Spinto would make even more sense. Sometimes, for them, it may sound like F4/F#4 are the highest notes they can hit - this is where your facial skeleton & larynx starts to facilitate a greater proportion of more head, and less chest, resonance though.
However, ironically enough, your lower register, although hollow, does carry a light- Baritonal character. There's a chance that you could possibly mature into a Lyric Baritone (some Spinto's do) but that would be a drastic change unless your tessitura lowered dramatically one day.
f#4 is my sweet spot as well as D5. My D5 is my absolute loudest note followed closely by my F#4. On my soundcloud I have some more songs where I belted some F#4s but I generally have some substantial staying power in the 5th octave but as of lately I've been losing ease and stamina but I think I know how to gain it back lol.
ReplyDeleteWell, her rock suff is nonexistent these days. I do like some of her newest music, but she should stick to rock, that's what she does best: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPWkrp2O8Ew
ReplyDeleteExactly, she's really trying hard to fit into the R&B-mold but I just don't buy it :/
ReplyDeleteJojo is a free elf and Jojo has come to reveal all the scalps and make them shine brighter than her future moonmen.
ReplyDeleteYour pictures of animals are great but the whole body proportions of the two men are not so great...
ReplyDeleteThe man in the middle has legs that are too short such as the right arm (from my pov). the arms should always reach down to the middle of the thigh (elbow on belly button height). That means the left arm is too long. Oh and I would also look at the hands. That was the not so great-part about it. What I appreciate are shape of the legs (not the size) and the torso and neck and the face.
For the next man: Again the arms are problematic but the rest is great. I like your shading (no pun intended) and in general the body shape :)
As in faces, you don't need no advice there. Just remember that the nostrils should be covered a bit and your men need eye lids :)
Ariana is overrated. Demi I think is underrated as no one truly respects her as an artist or singer. In my opinion, singing is nothing unless you put yourself into it, and Demi does that, Listen to Nightingale or her cover of Stay(which she does better than Rihanna). Ariana doesn't have that, and maybe she will one day, but not right now. Demi is also more powerful and has a much more unique voice. I don't even see Demi as a pop artist, I just think she tries to fit that mold because of her record company. She has a much more personal connection to her music than Ariana does. She's not overrated by any means, that's an expression of her being underrated. Jojo is older so she probably is better technically speaking. But we'll see in a few years because even a few years can be crucial for growth. Technically speaking, Ariana beats out Demi, I think. But the quality of Demi's voice is something that she'll never be able to beat and I think if she keeps improving, she could be one of the best vocalists one day. Going with Demi.
ReplyDeleteOh btw a completely off-topic question: How do I make my mix headier?
ReplyDeleteShe sings in key a lot, she actually sings remarkably a lot. She has her pitchy moments, yes, but most of them have been in 2013 when she abused her voice by using it too soon after her surgery or have been from times when she was sick.She's an underrated singer, imho.
ReplyDeleteThis is exactly why I prefer Demi. I don't think Ariana has that connection with her songs or her music that Demi does, she doesn't have the emotion. And it's why I think if Demi goes the right track she could be one of the best vocalists out there. She has that potential.
ReplyDeletei accidentally hit a high eflat before followed by a really heady bflat then i went a half step higher then the eflat to E n that was headyish to. i have the recording but god darn it its garbage. if youd like to hear it you can. idk how low i can go because i dont really do alot of scales but i do know the last note i hit in In Love With Someone else was e2 on major scale. im so sorry for that it was so bad rofl. my vibrato was muddy like omggg that was so bad. i was laying on my back which probably didnt help but omg that was so bad that i want to throw myself out the window lol. plus i dont like going above the A4 because it takes alot out of me. i can rly go higher then B4 but again its not my thing. the higher octave is more like soprano territory n im not in that league lol but yes, Eb5 is the highest ive gone. let me know if you want to hear that 1. heres another recording. i think i hit a g4 but it was bad n thin because i was squeezing my throat because i didnt want it to be loud. anything over D4 is really loud n i hate it. i dont like it when ppl hear me. anyways heres another recording
ReplyDeletehttp://soundcloud.com/guy-with-a-face/terribleness
Lol, eeeeew eye lids. But as far as proportions go, ive improved lol. Those were drawn early last year as you can see from the terrible condition of the paper. Lol.... And hands....they are my arch rival... I've always drawn animals fairly greatly but I've been focusing on humans for about the past year. Lol. I'll become perfect one day.
ReplyDeleteif it sounded light thats because i was singing softly. couldnt rly use the base voice that much because its such a beautiful soft like song i think so i used a softer side lol im so sorry again because that was really just bad. in this new one i went a little higher and on A4 but i squeezed the shit out of it in order to limit the volume. anything like a A4 is very loud n the the neighbors would hear n thats so embarrassing so as a result you got a rly distorted A4 rofl. heres the sound thing
ReplyDeletehttp://soundcloud.com/guy-with-a-face/a-tight-sounding-high-note
u said u listen for range so if you need my highest which is Eb5 ill upload it. but yes, this specific 1 is so baaaadddddd. think u have enough to figure it out. i mean u may not have enough because i cant use my voice to its fullest for the simple fact that im keeping it a secret. i do know my voice is really really very highly loud above the D4 so when i record i have to repress the volume which makes the notes sound different then they should. but then again despite that u should figure it out i think. hopefully. yeah again its bad lol.
i don't like either but if someone tortures me to still answer i would go with demi..
ReplyDeleteso wat i got from so far from u guys is that im either a low lyric tenor or lyric baritone. so this means i have a lyric voice at least? idk. but i see lyric alot so were getting somewhere
ReplyDeleteShe tried that only in Unbroken and I actually think that she made a decent work (My Love Is Like A Star). What she's doing now is trying to fit the mainstream EMD sound that succeedes nowadays on the radio, but it's just not for her.
ReplyDeleteexactly!i liked her take in r&B but i hate her new sound its just not her and that heart attack song was horrible i just hope she do something if possible r&B/rock
ReplyDeleteYou have to be properly placed in the mask, producing the awwww sound. Make sure you are at ease and feel neutral but at the same time dont open up too too wide or you'all lose control. I'd recommend you do decrescendos from a middle note until it is starting to feel like rounded falsetto with a chest town. Another thing to try is to sing a simple middle passage with half as much weight and volume as you generally do to give your self more leverage. Once you get comfortable singing in the half voice, try resonating while mAintaininf
ReplyDeleteGreat! Thanks :)
ReplyDeletei used to love her rock/pop music,i still listen to her hwga album it is pure perfection and i was nearly going to become her stan but BOOM she dropped an album this year which made me go back to the starting stage of fan i hope she wins me over again by her 5th album
ReplyDeleteOh so now you're agist, and now talent is only apparent in younger people. Oh.. I get it.
ReplyDeleteOh my god, at this point you know how I like to communicate on this site and if its one thing I hate its when someone fucking insinuates. I simply don't like Tamar and the way she acts... I said nothing over if she has talent or not...like seriously don't ever respond to anything i state if you're gonna make presumptions based off of virtually no evidence. That's what basic bitches do... I can't put it more kindly....
ReplyDeleteI don't know why I like Tamar's act. Maybe it's because I used to be cold and I had to always be mature and stuff. I think I would have acted like Tamar if I wasn't controlled to act so mature.
ReplyDeleteI want Demi to cover "Jars of Hearts" by Christina Perri.
ReplyDeleteThat shade... XD
ReplyDeleteDamn... See when people hold you to a specific standard, when you break free you explode.... Miley Cyrus is a prime example...LOL... If anything, my mom was too lenient on me. I have a terrible temper and was spoiled rotten,,. Now I'm a high school senior with only about 5 months remaining before I get the perpetual slap in the face from the real world...LOL...
ReplyDeleteYes. A lyric baritone is what I wished I was.... My voice is slightly baritonal from my lows up to about G3 then everything else sounds very tenoral.
ReplyDeleteBut when ever you have another recording of you belting (nothing too high, maybe up to about A#4/B4), hit us up again. We'll let you know our assessment.
You all know I'm one of the biggest Lovatics so of course I'll go with Demi. XD
ReplyDeleteHowever, if you dissect the vocal abilities and capabilities, Demi smothers Ariana. I think within a few years, Demi with enough effort might reach a level of vocal abilities that might rival the early 1990's singers.
Vocal Capability: Demi
Low: Demi, Keeps her resonance even down to C3
Mid-Belts: Demi, Power and of course, resonance
Upper-Belts: Demi, Power and resonance (Some of her G5 and A5 belts are rough and shaky)
HV/WR: Ariana, Amazing control and reached with ease (HV not WR)
Tone Quality: Demi, A unique tone quality
I like them both though. Ariana finally brought back those 1990's music vibes and Demi is on her way.
That's more of a read than shade lol.
ReplyDeleteMy falsetto and mixing is one of my strong suits after years of practice. I can carry up to D6 on a good day and make it sound like head voice to an extent. But most of the time, I top out around B5. As for my belting, I lighten my voice and try to sing with warmth because I like the characters. For the most part, My voice is rather chesty by nature and it wants to throw weight around very similarly to Jenifer Hudson but I hate how I sound doing that. And I get ungodly bright as soon as I hit A4. Like all the masculinity in my voice dissapears and I sound like a little bitty Beyonce with much less agility and a bit of a rustier vocal color.
ReplyDeleteSurprisingly, my voice has darkened since I hit puberty and it happens in two year sprouts. I've always been a raspy, lowish sounding treble (oddly) but then I went through a phase when I sounded like a cross between Chris Brown and Jasmine Sullivan. I was fourteen when that happened then when I turned sixteen it was like a mix up between John Legend and Kim Burrell. LOL... I have a feeling around late July early August, my voice will darken but not drop, just in time for my 18th birthday. Mind me, I sing on the lower side mainly because I'm lazy and find that singing high is a bit overrated for my voice type (In other words, I'm impersonating you gorgeous baritones) LOL.
But for me, I hate the color of my lower register. I can project a mean G#2 and as of today, shoot down to a healthy C2 (Versus yesterday, I only could project a D3 and support a F2). Like if I could be like a "tenor Falcon" if that will ever exist, LOL and combine my spinto-upper end with the gorgeous lower end of a full-lyric baritone, I'd have the voice of my dreams..LOL.
I have a standard of my own which is quite high. I would never explode from freedom because I hold family dear to my heart and over the years I have made some great friends. XD
ReplyDeleteJUST CAME TO POST THIS. UNBELIEVABLE !?!?!?!?
ReplyDeleteIn all honesty (and calmness) Jojo is incredibly underated and I smell an incredible comeback in the works. The industry is not ready.
SORRY BLACKGROUND, it was just too little too late....
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8LIRtPnuA8
That's really good. I couldn't say the same for myself though. LOL.
ReplyDeleteIn general to all..."music business" is so much wider than pop. Can people please stop confusing pop music business with all of music business!
ReplyDeletePersonally..I don't think that a standard based on fear of family disapproval is all that high or all that good.
ReplyDeleteI agree. I saw a video of Tamar backstage before singing something somewhere and she indeed comes across pretty ratchet.
ReplyDeleteI am going to hold of on judging your mom but she sounds like a responsible mom doing her best to deal with a clever and wild 16 year old guy. And seeing as you are in school and always busy with positive creative activities like singing, writing, drawing, cooking and are not into shit or in trouble... your mom strikes me as doing a better job than can be said of a great many moms and dads.;-)
My family understands now. Sometimes our relationship just weakens due to my Mom and Dad's work ethics and their job which require a lot of time out of the house. My Dad works at Mazda and my Mom's a Dentist and my Sister is a does neurological surgery.
ReplyDeleteI overly villainize' my mother half the time I speak about her. LOL and yes for the most part, my mom is encouraging of the artsy stuff I like to do, except the singing. LOL.
ReplyDeleteBut back to Tamar, all them damn sisters except for Toni are the absolute most. As a whole I love them all and the embody that age is more physical than mental. But on an individual level, they make me a little queezy. I will say this though. Them girls know how to have a good time and watching them on TV is a blast, even though I have to take it in small dosages (One episode per month).
I meant that he holds himself up to a high standard, period for him to be so young. When I was that age, I couldn't tell you how unfocused, naive and just plain stupid I was. Even til this day, I don't hold myself up to a very high standard, maybe just one high enough to keep my off the streets, do my school work and reluctant to leave my bed. LOL.
ReplyDeleteBut I see what you mean. I mistook what he said for the most part. LOL, when I was his age, I had no idea what it meant to be "held up to a standard"....LOLOL...
I'm lucky to have such good friends, teachers, and parents who have inspired me to follow my dreams and taught me about the real world. Yes, I do fear about disapproval but not anymore. That has long since been a minor adversity in my everyday life. Today, tomorrow, I will become stronger and manage my life as I see fit. I do make poor decisions because I'm humans but I learn from those decisions and that's why I have come this far in life. God has given me a talent which cannot go to waste and I know that having high standards will only get me so far.
ReplyDeleteI didn't know her eyebrows had anything to do with her voice though. This is new information to me.
ReplyDeleteNot sure what all that has to do with anything Natsu? But good for them. I meant no disrespect to your family in any manner.
ReplyDeleteI just mean that fear of other people's view, to me, doesn't seem the highest of standards. Just my opinion but I think no standard followed from any basis of fear is a high one. Personally I find rationally come to ethics to be a better standard.
And no offense to you either but seriously, however smart you are, you ARE still only 14. Frankly it's starting to bug me a bit ,the way you speak as if you know it all, even if you do include the obligatory humble side remarks.
Hormones have not yet fully influenced your brain and you are about 10 years away from having a full grown brain. You are also a good many years away from having to deal with life as an adult.
All kudos to you for your language skill and doing your homework diligently and all that but let's not overdo it here. :-)
You mean at 14 you were like a...14 year old? ;-)
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SMO1_jdnxU
ReplyDeletethose f#5s though. damn
A basic bitch is someone who demonizes their own mother. Nobody insinuated you don't like Tamar, if you don't like people to respond to your comment then be more careful about them. lol.
ReplyDeleteIt's like me saying I don't like Tamar because she is black, but I do like her voice. It's called racist, just as you are agist. When you said it kind puts you off she is 36.
Did you seriously just equate "agism" to racism???
ReplyDelete(the natural disinterest of a 16 year old for 36 year old women btw can hardly be qualified as "agism")
LOL I know you overly villainize your mom Black Robin. Unlike some here it seems, by now I am aware you enjoy "over" stating in general. It's your commenting style. :-)
ReplyDeleteI didn't say anything about your mom encouraging your artistic pursuits though. What I meant to do was give you praise for choosing those pursuits over a million negative pursuits a teenager could choose and give your mom praise for raising a son who makes that positive choice.
ps I absolutely refuse to watch any reality show as imo anybody participating in such shows is selling him/herself in a obnoxious manner.
ReplyDeleteIt's sort of unfair with them though Ariana is pretty much a pure soprano and Demi is a mezzo so of course Ariana isn't going to have an easier time hitting lower notes.
ReplyDeleteI like the ballads of her two last albums (Lightweigh and Nightingale are one of my favourite songs of her) but the non-ballad songs are far from great. Only Aftershock has really got to me, and I still that a rock version of the song would sound AWESOME.
ReplyDeleteWell, it is quite ironic that you don't listen to "male singers" considering you are a Dramatic- Baritone but... I'm a Dramatic- Baritone also.
ReplyDeleteDo you have any recordings of you singing? I'd love to hear you? :)
I'm afraid I have to agree with Opie. I underestand how you feel because I and everyone here has felt, at your age, like he/she can do anything and is prepared even for the hardest aspect of the adult life. Guess what, none of us were lol I know that you're smarter than your friends and that life circumstances have made you mature earlier, but then again (and not trying to sound conceited) I was also the same way and you can't imagine how much I regret not living like any other 14 year old boy.
ReplyDeleteDon't get me wrong, I'm not trying to discourage you AT ALL. It's great that you have high aspirations and that you're actually trying to fulfill them instead of dreaming of them the way I used to, but remember that you're still a 14 years old boy and 1)As much as you think so, there are many ways in which you're not much more mature and/or smarter than everyone else. And getting that matureness is way harder than you imagine 2) You're in one of the best phases of your life so try to not to focus so much on standing out (which is great, though) and just enjoy the age you are right now. Go out with friends, meet girls, get crazy...
And, of course, after this sermon I've just given you (Do you say "*Give* a sermon" in english?) I'm just 18 years old and I also know SHIT about adult life, but I'm quite sure I know how you feel and that's why I wanted t give you a piece of advice.
What does being a Dramatic-Baritone have to do with listening to male singers?
ReplyDeleteOf course I don't know the extent of how much he listens to "male singers" but I guess it's just the fact of having such a rich, dark & strong, masculine- sounding, voice and not looking to male singers for inspiration etc. Then again, I'm friends with a Woman of whom is a Dramatic- Soprano and she cannot stand female singers and rarely, if ever, listens to them especially her fellow "famous" Dramatic- Soprano's. LOL. That's where the irony is. I didn't mean any harm, or anything, by it though. :)
ReplyDeleteLOL Leith, you made me feel inadequate now. Since I left of the very good advice of Natsu stop focusing on being "mature" beyond his age and enjoy being 14 instead. Plenty of time to be mature Natsu, too little time to be a kid. And that's coming to you from one waaaaay past 18.
ReplyDeleteY'all did get me curious about your troubled early years now though. Wonder if they'd make as good a Country song as mine would. ;-)
(Don't share though! Not a good idea on the internet, to .... you don't know who))
sorry Opie dear. i'll edit that for you cause you know you're special to me LOL ;)
ReplyDeleteOh don't try the relevancy shit with me... I can off topic however I please.
ReplyDeleteWell, it's true, anyway, whoever voted it down. She can sing in key and has a lot if you listen to her.
ReplyDeleteI'm p sure it's because of hwr. She's gonna be off that label for her fifth album so we'll see what she comes out with. I hope she has rock and ballads, those two suit her best. I don't take her seriously as a "pop" pop artist and it doesn't really seem her. So we'll see.
ReplyDeleteDid you just tried to get analytically correct with me? And no you crazy bat, that doesn't make sense, comparing racism to agism..... There are plenty of people I like that are hella older than Tamar.... I simply don't like Tamar... Her age is coincidentally a part of why I don't like her but its more so her 'up in your face' attitude and her self appraisal. But then again, I don't know why I felt the need to explain that to you. You will misunderstand it, go off on some crazy wild ass tangent as if you know me, and be flat out wrong... I can already foreshadow this... You can't even see why I said you were insinuating. It was not because I don't like Tamar... It was because you called me a agist...
ReplyDeleteNow since I've read you down, quit.... Even though I already know, you'll come back with a reason to justify your logic....or a lack there of.... Just be prepared... All the niceness I showed you in the paragraph above with cease.... All words will be fair game... -_-
Ooooooooh My bad. LOL.
ReplyDeleteLOL, You have a point. But sometimes the drama is enticing. I like to watch it for the catty violence LOLOL.
ReplyDeleteLOL, yes. Just a terrible little person.
ReplyDeleteOOOoooooOOOOOOO killing bitches left and right GOOO ROBIN
ReplyDeleteHer contract is up and if she is as unhappy with not being able to be herself as a lot suggest, then I doubt she's going back,
ReplyDeleteWell, it's true, anyway, whoever voted it down(probably OP). She can sing in key and
ReplyDeletehas a lot if you listen to her. Which I have because I honestly think
she has a lot of potential with the power in her voice if she just
improves her technique, which did drop a bit this past year because of
her tonsil removal. But her voice seems even more powerful now. She has
very few performances where she's off key and you named the couple that
anyone could have off the top of their heads. She'll blow the rest of
them out of the water one day if she keeps on as she is. I don't think
Ariana has that. That plus Ariana's voice is not as interesting and neither is she, I think it's part because she's not a real artist like Demi is, but a singer. They have different styles completely. Demi tried that track but it's not her, so she's a different kind of person and singer than Ariana. But one thing is for sure, she can and does sing on key.
That is...an unusual voice. Your first clip gave me an idea that you were a baritone, while this one had more indications of a tenor.
ReplyDeleteThe weight of your voice is still going to be pretty light if your tone is anything to go by, even when singing soft.
There's always the 'spinto' category, but unless I hear what your voice can do at its fullest, I can only guess at a lyric.
The weird thing is that you went to B4 in full voice without any evident difficultly, and with considerably better pitch accuracy than you have in the low range (below G3, that is). In your first clip, you went down to F2, not with great resonance, but certainly with pretty good ease.
Overall, you are either a high baritone or a low tenor (I'm leaning towards tenor, but you could develop it either way), and you're either a light or middle-weight voice, given the warmth and smoothness of the tone, though I'm sure as you get loud that some of that might go away. There's a definite nasality to the voice which helps your resonance, and you controlled your vibrato MUCH better in the high range.
If I were you, I wouldn't focus terribly much on voice type, but more on getting the entire range to be completely controlled and smooth at any dynamic, as well as developing your falsetto until it has the fullness and connection of head voice. You have a good voice, but like any voice, it can use work. Control your pitch better in the low range, get rid of unnecessary vibrato, and work on line (that is, work on making every phrase having an arch with a smooth connection to the next phrase, as if the entire song was one line). And don't be so scared about volume! Volume is good! Volume means fun! Just don't overdo it and make sure it fits the song.
So yeah - my guess would by lyric baritenor, or even a Verdi baritone (after Classical training), if you really want the type. You have a good voice, all it needs is a bit of polish.
I voted that down..because I think Demi's over rated. And yes, I base that on the live videos I saw. Which were random ones I found on youtube by searching for "Demi Lovato live". Where I found Ariana to be good but boring and lacking musical identity, I found Demi to be less of a singer. Certainly compared to what is claimed.
ReplyDeleteyeah ik her contract is over but she said somewhere that she's working on her fifth album and her old hwr producers also said that she's working with them again so that's why i think she's not leaving hwr
ReplyDeleteLOL Sometimes your reading is as over "energetic" as your writing. ;-)
ReplyDeleteyep that sound like an apt description of the 14 year old. ;-)
ReplyDeleteI might be the Queen of England one day. Who knows? But at present..you don't have to curtsy for me yet. :-)
ReplyDeleteLOL, I get that a lot. I kinda write all my short stories as if they are a very abstract song and I gotta break that habit. In my revisions of my boook, I noticed that there is a lack of flow for something that is soooooo overly descriptive that it makes my book seem like random ideas thrown together in some scenes... But I've been fixing it by dumbing it down, and following a dialogue set up like that in the Hobbit but putting a bit of a modern twist on it all.
ReplyDeleteLOL. Your voice is developing and it will continue to mature as time goes by, especially your modal voice. How old are you? 15/16/17? If that's the case, I can guarantee that it MAY change completely by the time you are 21. I did come to the conclusion that your voice does posses, noticeable, Baritonal traits and the fact that your middle-voice withholds such a solid sound & foundation, especially within a region comfortable to that of Baritones - between E3 - A4 - your voice could very well be heading in that direction. The only deterrent I have to that notion is how bright your upper register and how light your mixed voice is, it's too tenoral thus making it extremely confusing to truly categorize. Nonetheless, many Spinto- Tenor's/Low- Lyric Tenor's have matured into Lyric- Baritone's in the past just as they have matured into Kavalier [Spinto] Baritones but that all depends on your physiology and how fast your folds may thicken.
ReplyDeleteLOL, I was caught in my feelings when I was typing that....
ReplyDeletei want her to cover any song by beyonce.
ReplyDeleteOh no, I know you didn't mean to offend anyone,and I of course didn't feel so at all lol I was just curious, nothing else
ReplyDeleteI don't really mind speaking about my troubled years, to be honest. I'm so open to it that even if a stranger asked me, I'd tell him/her everything he/she wanted to know (Of course, there's some little pieces of information I'd keep for myself, but not too many). I personally think that being able to talk about this kind of stuff is not only good for you, but also for the others. You can really help other people by sharing your story. Plus, I don't think there's much a stranger could do with that information. I mean, what can he/she use it for? I'm not famous or something so there's no way he/she could use that information in his/her benefit, and even in the unlikely event I got famous, I'd be the very first one to talk about that.
ReplyDeleteI'm 17 but you haven't seen the crazy stuff I can do in my upper chest. Lol. I'm no coloratura but I can phrase well and I'm a stamina hog. My issue is the bright feminine colour at my top end and the tinges of rocky stringyness that I can't control just yet.
ReplyDeleteYou kinda restated a point he already made with his comment.
ReplyDeleteI have a friend who sings country (lol most white people in Georgia sing it) and she wrote a gorgeous song that depicted a wonderful story about being alone. I would love to take my crack at country one day but I'm no fan of the twangy accent (Though as a native Georgian, I do have it LOL).
ReplyDeleteFirst let me just start by saying you have a gorgeous, gorgeous, gorgeous timbre.... I'd say you are definitely a baritone. I'm a low tenor, we have a similar tessitura but I sound like a little girl compared to you. ROFL....
ReplyDeleteAnother thing, please be a tessitura singer and not a range singer. For me I have a lot of subjectivity behind them both but I love me a tessitura singer.... I mean one can have a 5 octave vocal range that is very well connected but only show off F3-F4 because that's where their comfortable.
I used to go through the struggle when I used to try to sing all the most demanding highs and most noble lows. Now I don't care for range, just the connection between the range and hitting the prettiest note for the passsage...which IMHO is the most important part. I'm not saying that you have to deliver upon a specific technical aspect but I am saying that if there is a lyric that needs sprucing up, hit a cute little melisma or something. Know what note music requires. That is the most important aspect on the subjective front (That was all my opinion above so LOL)
But on a technical front, learn how to mix a bit more. Instead of squeezing your throat to maintain low volume, how about hitting a neutral note that is fair and supported with good jaw tension then cut the size in half with a decrescendo. Then do the "Maw Maw Maw" scale at half volume from a neutral note to lets, say my favorite not F4 until you smooth it out. I don't know much about baritonal passagios so my explaination was fairly vague. For me, my main passagio (My first one) is around A#3-C4, my second one is between F#4-A4, and my third one presided right at E5.
If you don't know what the "maw maw maw" scale is, its basically a scale where you increase in pitch while phrasing AWE sounds all the way up. Don't go too high. Stay around Neutral D to tenoral F. Mixing is not a hard concept to grasp, its just that it sounds hard. People generally struggle with mixing because they can't mentally grasp that it requires vocal freedom (ease) and jaw tension (the way you hold your mouth).
Another aspect I'm forgetting to explain is that when you sing, in a balanced mix, it should feel like the beginning of a yawn. When you discover your mix you will know it. It will be this gorgeous baritonal ring that has so much masculinity that panties will be wet for miles. The skies will open and nephilum will come down to admire the gorgeous timbre realizing its potential. There is nothing more sexy than a baritonal voice with a masculine vocal ring. It makes me melt like hot butter on hotter waffles...
I'm sorry for this long winded and slightly (VERY) perverted response, but shit you have a nice voice.. I'm in class now and I'm kinda in a rush so I'll have no time to edit errors. ROFL... Bear with me pleeeeeaaaaasssssseeeee!!!!!!! LOL....
I think Demi has great potential, but not fully realized yet. Hopefully as she matures artistically she will also grow vocally. Arianna, in my opinion, is far from being a "limitless" voice - Her solid sound starts only in the more soprano area of her voice, the rest is rather small and hollow.
ReplyDeleteLOL, yes, Tamar is ghet-to, but I love her mannerisms (at least on reality TV, the little bit I've watched). I guess we all have issues with our mothers, I love mine but she is very much a Victoria Grayson.
ReplyDeleteI don't think I'd ever curtsy to anyone, sorry
ReplyDeleteNot sure which ones you watched, but she is very good. Stylistically, she's very different than Ariana. Technically speaking, she falters sometimes, but there are very few performances where she's actually off key, and that's coming from someone who's watched a lot of videos of both. She definitely can sing her ass off as Kelly Clarkson once put it, but she's underrated because most people don't think she can sing at all. Although there are much more important things like emotion and being an artist which Demi does have. Someone who doesn't have those could take a million singing lessons, it wouldn't be worth anything at all. Again, I don't know what videos you've watched, but the videos I've watched show amazing potential for Demi and she does get likened by people in the music business to singers who are well respected for their voices for a reason. She's just not good with the whole pop thing. Her vocals are suited for something different. She does amazingly well in ballads and acoustics and even rockier songs with some rawness to them. I feel like one day she will be more well respected and she deserves that because she has something unique.
ReplyDeleteLol, I just had to google Victoria Grayson and have to say wow. What ever show that is I gotta watch it.
ReplyDeleteI'm very much partial to one over the other, but if you really think about it, how do you even compare the two? They're doing something so different in the industry. They're headed in different directions. I don't think they have the same goals or the same genres that suit their voices. They're both really good at what they do, but they do different things.
ReplyDeleteshe did an interview i think with hollywire or clevertv and her producer don't know his name but the one who produced heart attack said it on twitter that he's working with her again
ReplyDeleteHer voice doesn't seem to really wake up until she hits around E5, from there up 'til A5, she seems to be in the sweet spot of her voice.
ReplyDeleteI did some research, TheSuspex works with some artists and will be working with some who aren't on HWR so I don't think that's confirmation she's going back. I've also watched her recent interviews I know you're talking about and I haven't actually heard that. Since it's up and she really doesn't need to be on hwr, I'm not sure why she'd go back. I'm not really sold until it happens or she actually says she's going back to the label. I just hope she's not going back. Some rumors say she could go with Simon and if she does, I think it would be better for her career.
ReplyDeleteThat's what I'm saying when I go on about her, she has potential and maybe it's not fully realized or evident yet, but it is there. I do think she'll grow vocally because she's a very driven person in general and has the passion for music that it would require.
ReplyDeleteI'm like 10 :O lol
ReplyDelete"The Olden Days"
ReplyDeleteBy Opie
In her early days it looked like Demi was facing towards the mezzo category, but after she treated her eating disorder her voice got lighter and brighter, something that is easily noticable in the whole Unbroken album.
ReplyDeleteThen you just put more weight to our arguments lol
ReplyDeleteAnd I remembered after posting that you were younger than 14.
ReplyDeleteStill, then my remarks are even more apt. Because that means you aren't even in the early stages of puberty. :-)
No idea what that is supposed to mean?
ReplyDeleteI have no message to what a singer will be one day in the future.
ReplyDeleteAs you admit, Demi "falters sometimes". From what I have seen more so than Arians. Thus I say at present Ariana is imo the better singer.
Hell, who knows.... while Demi works on "faltering" less, maybe Ariana is working on a musical identity and in future will still be the better singer? On the other hand, maybe Ariana develops dysphonia tomorrow and will be forced to find another job and then in future Demi will be the better singer. Future is infinite bro! I deal with the now when I get posed the question who imo is the better singer of the two.
Genre btw has little to do with it. And also arguments from authority are a Fail.
Also you contradict yourself if you say she "is not good at the pop thing" and "is the most talented one ...in the pop industry"
Nope, not zero chance. Russel's revolution could happen and who knows what will be then.
ReplyDeleteAnd believe you me, if you got offered the chance to meet Elizabeth and were told to curtsy (or bow if you are male) you very likely would.
But hey, we will leave that possibility in the future ,right next to the less "faltering" future Demi.
Sure Demi has great range and power but their is something about the tone of her voice that I find unpleasant. Ariana has this beautiful soulful voice that is amazing to listen too. I guess it all comes down to the person his or herself because I find Demi's voice very generic sure she has power but their is nothing about her voice that I find special sure Ariana sounds a little like Mariah but if you really listen to Mariah and than Ariana you can clearly hear the differences. I have watch live performances of Demi and when she belts it sounds so shrill and force it's almost painful to listen too. When it comes to live singing Ariana wins hands down Demi's voice is always shaky. I don't understand why people are saying that Ariana holds no emotion I guess it depends on who is listening to it because I feel what ariana is saying when is singing and her music is just better in my opinion.
ReplyDeleteJust wondering Natsu, which particular bit of Asia does your family hail from?
ReplyDeleteYes I meant details Leith. I agree in principle regarding sharing and it's uses.
ReplyDeleteBut personally I like to at least see the face of the one I share more detailed accounts with. This blog is read by way more people than those who comment and you simply never know who is amongst those anonymous readers.
A stranger with bad intentions can do way more with any info than you can imagine. And sometimes it may not be to their benefit but can be to your disadvantage.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_theft
That's actually not a contradiction at all, contemplate it...Ariana just doesn't strike me as an artist though and some are fine with that, Im just not.
ReplyDeleteIn my very very honest opinion, I feel that both are equally good in terms of tone and vocals, but I really cannot choose between both of them. If you really want to compare, Demi wins Ariana in the lower register, they are equally good in the mid-register and Ariana outshines Demi in the upper register. That's all I wanna say :)
ReplyDeleteWell 2013 wasnt a great year for her what with being ill and having surgery. but since she works hard, i think 2014 will be a good one, She has an amazing voice and puts lots of emotion into what she does. I think she has a lot of potential if she stays healthy. Even more than Ariana imo. Commercial success is another game,.
ReplyDeleteEastern.
ReplyDeleteI've contemplated and it still struck me as a contradiction. Especially if the line following "not good at the pop thing" is taken in consideration.."vocals suited for something different".
ReplyDeleteAnd like I said, Ariana lacks a musical identity imo. Which means I pretty much expressed agreement with the sentiment Ariana is "not really an artist".
But Demi failed to impress me live vocally and consequently the buck stopped there. I don't really know whether Demi has more of a musical identity and therefor can be considered "an artist" but I do know ...had that been a very defined quality of Demi, my continued interest might have been raised. As it stands, she sounded pretty average chart singer to me. Plus with that regular faltering...I remain of the believe, however much potential she may or may not have, at present I feel purely on singing itself...Ariana is simply the better.
LOL Perhaps the word "particular bit" escaped your notice Natsu?
ReplyDelete"eastern" is rather more vague than "particular bit".
But it's okay if you don't want to answer. :-)
Yes and I understand Mariah has had a bad decade. It continues to amaze me, the amount of excuse making pop fans are forced and willing to engage in. I am unsure how to describe the feeling I get when I see this excuse making start earlier and earlier in pop singers' careers with each new generation. Maybe "sad" maybe "depressed" maybe "glad I am into a genre where this is way less necessary".
ReplyDeleteAnyway, it seems no matter what, you are determined to ignore the difference between what someone is and what someone MIGHT be.
And along with the choice of dream of tomorrow over reality of today comes a tendency to argue with arguments which assume things never said.
When WILL I learn???
Pop music:It's about image, it's about something superficial that sells, something cookie cutter, something that lacks depth music wise. Demi is, objectively, in the pop music industry, but she is one of the ones in the industry who actually has talent while most don't(and Ariana of course does too, just isn't an artist) and she doesn't have as much commercial success as some who don't really care much for singing but just being an image. She has tried to venture into the more cookie cutter route that doesn't suit her, that's what I'm saying. I've listened to her speak that's why I know she actually is an artist and actually does have a connection with her music, which is something i respect. She just does better with acoustic, rock, and ballad type things rather than the pop and rnb stuff she's trying to do. She does better in acoustics/stripped down performances than others and she has a voice that suits something rockier as well. She plays instruments, she writes songs, etc..That's why a lot of people say what she's putting out right now is not her. The thing that really stands out to me about Demi is emotion and her connection with the music which is why, imo, she did better than Rihanna on Stay and why Nightingale and My Love Is Like a Star are so great. Ariana is fine, but there's still a lot Demi does I don't think she'll ever be able to do because her voice just doesn't have the quality. Contrary to what you said, style is important. Demi has a different style than Ariana and to a large degree it's subjective. If you want to do rock, it's rawer. If you want to do Nightingale, some more power and emotion is required and the rasp Demi has adds something to it. Ariana is softer and more angelic, less edgy and less emotionally driven in her music, something more classically palatable. Demi doesn't falter as much as you're leading on, though. Authority does mean something if there are people who can actually listen to someone in the flesh rather than two people who have never done so and also who isn't just a fangirl. Ariana hopefully will find some identity because if she doesn't, she's not gonna survive. I'm replying here to your other message. To me, the present and the future are very much connected. I'm the kind of person who can perceive how things can and might turn out and it's worth speaking about if there is something holding back a singer in the present that might be released in the future because you see something in them behind that.
ReplyDeleteSorry for the essay
ReplyDeleteYou know, maybe you should actually read what I wrote rather than stop at registering whether it is "pro Demi" or not.
ReplyDeleteWhat you keep doing is stating your reasons for PREFERRING Demi over Ariana. Which seems to be based on things other than singing itself and when it comes to singing itself, based more on potential rather than evidence so far.
I am simply saying those are poor arguments to set opposite factual lesser occurrence of shaky quality vocals by Ariana when it comes to the question who is the better singer.
You are not making a case for "who is the better singer" but for "who has greater potential"
My original argument was actually that she can sing in key, not whether one was better than the other, because she can and has sung in key many times, the great majority of the time. The OP was biased as hell. But for the sake of argument, you have to define 'singer'. For me, quality of a singer goes hand in hand with emotional connection and how much of an artist the person is, otherwise it's nothing. It's like you may as well just read it out loud in a monotone voice than "sing" it if you haven't the connection or the rawness.
ReplyDeleteLOL I am hardly the one to criticize length of comments. I just wish most of it wasn't beside the point and implying assumptions about my views on music and singing in general. Especially since you seem to assume I hold the kind of view Primo for instance holds. Which is kinda annoying since I wrote long essays arguing against such views. ;-)
ReplyDeleteLike I just said in reply to your "essay" comment, how I view what constitutes a great singer I defined at length in replies to primo.
ReplyDeleteWho is "OP"?
Maybe the problem is, you are using "guest" as a tagname? It is at this point unclear to me whether there is one person commenting in this thread under that tagname or two. Can't you just come up with something other than "guest". Just to make it easier to distinguish who is saying what and addressing whom?
But anyway, if "on key" was all you were saying, I remain at my view that I heard less such issues from Ariana.
And that I heard too many issues in the few live videos of Demi for me to be all that impressed on purely her technical side.
Whether she will produce great work in the future..I simply say one cannot rationally say yes or no to that. But I would always hope you are right in believing she will.:-)
And I dare say I think the chances on that might, again based on what I heard so far, be indeed greater coming from Demi than Ariana.
"These guys aren't renowned for pushing artists in any big way, so don't expect the moon and the stars from this partnership"
ReplyDeleteI don't think that's bad. They give the artist their own choices and ways to sell themselves.
I mean, look at Marina. She's doing pretty well imo. :)
Of course, this only applies for artists that know what they want and the direction they want to go. JoJo has plenty of time off, I bet she knows what direction she wants to promote herself.
I'm calling you!
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rweoobd8TnA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhCJPG4uMGU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y7ARlV5EkM
She's been terrible in almost every performance this year, but it's totally not because of her being unable to sing (those above videos prove that she can) but for her stupid idea of trying to be a mezzo. She behaving like a little Christina, pushing her larynx down and compressing her throat to darken her sound, but when she realises how stupid it is, she'll probably go back to normal.
I'm half Australian and half Asian. I'll just say Eastern Asia :-)
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVj04xnk7Ys
ReplyDeletePitchy but still amazing!
What is Demi's vocal type anyway? Soprano?
ReplyDeleteThere were no B5S. A5 is what you heard, which is still a pretty high note especially for someone with her tessitura.
ReplyDeleteSHE'S COMING BACK TO MUSIC??????????????? YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
ReplyDeleteI was screaming like hell when I first read the article.
ReplyDeleteYASSSS!!! Sing your truth sweetie!!!! "I've seen them shooting up funeral in their Sunday clothes, and spending money on spinners but won't pay college loans..." YASSS!!!!
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mZ3c6--75Y
The first one doesn't sound like an A5
ReplyDeleteJojo, "Hey girls? Can you please get off this train? It's my turn."
ReplyDeleteI was so happy when I heard the news. I hope JoJo's has enough success to allow her to tour. I've been DYING to see he perform live.
ReplyDeleteIt's changed, probably because of her surgery. But I think she's actually getting a lot stronger. I mean she has much more power now, I just think she needs to harness her potential with it correctly. She's driven so I feel she'll do it this next year. I think her voice actually is better, she's just having to work with something new and get used to it.
ReplyDeleteShe was in her prime during her Unbroken Era in my opinion. This newer DEMI era is the pitchy region and that's probably what most people refer too.
ReplyDeleteThe first belt (around 2:59) is definitely too sharp to be an A5
ReplyDeleteIt's at least Bb5, but it seems to be a sharp Bb5 as well
Eh, she was 19-20, that wasn't her prime. I think this last year has just been a rough one for her for many reasons. Mostly her surgery. That gave her so much shite. But I find her voice to be much more powerful now and for her to have much more potential now as someone who can be taken seriously if she works hard and truly harnesses that power, which I believe she can since she is so driven. She just needs to stay true to herself and not give in to the demands of pure pop culture, she is an individual and has that inside of her so I don't see why she continuously does give in. I still see a lot of potential in her to be one of the best in 5-10 years given what she's been doing past any pitchiness. I think she just needs to get used to her voice and realize her potential
ReplyDeleteI may have misunderstood you what you meant by 'prime' though. If you meant that that was the best she'd ever be, or if you meant that's the best she's been up to now. The latter I'd be inclined to agree with, but definitely not the former
ReplyDeleteSorry, by prime I meant out of all of her eras currently; so, yes, up until now. Her music was the best and she still stayed true to herself. Her newer stuff, even though I love the ballads and lyrical music, is soo cliche. Catchy, but cliche. I want her to go back to that pop rock girl that we all used to know. Honestly, her voice fits that genre the best as well. Here's a video of her singing Get Back, one of her signature pop rocky songs. Her voice has an inclination towards this genre, and here is no exception.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7t82tdCjV0
She'll be a vocal monster in a few years if she gets some serious coaching. And who knows? Maybe in another 10, she could be considered a true "diva" and "legend" in the music industry.
She's very pitchy. About 50% as of right now and ain't nun undeniable about DAT!
ReplyDeleteI still love ones like Warrior and Nightingale, I just don't like the more pop influenced stuff and things like Neon Lights don't really suit her. Heart Attack does have a really good tune, though. I really hope she doesn't try so hard on her next album to fit that mold for whatever reason she did try. She probably will go back to doing more pop/rock stuff. This girl was in a mosh pit as a young teen girl for a metal concert, I doubt that influence will ever leave her, I hope she is true to herself in her next album. It might have been label influence anyway. I'm thinking it probably was since a lot of people say she's been frustrated with the label. Regardless, I'm kinda hoping for pop/rock and ballads. I think both suit her well. She's edgy, but then she has been through a lot, is an emotional person, and seems like she really wants to share that with people and gain some kind of release for her own self. Plus, she can show off her vocals more like she wants to this year. I don't think pop/rock does that quite as well save for power, but a whole album of just the same stuff would be boring. She's never done that before and I think she knows it would be boring. I also think she listens to what her fans say and a lot of people are begging her to stay true to herself and also stay away from hwr.
ReplyDeleteHer voice has changed a lot, though. When she was younger, it sounded like a typical pop punk/rock girl voice, sort of like Paramore but with her own tone. Since it sounds like it has a different tone now and also seems somewhat fuller(might just be the way she's choosing to sing now), I could see it being something rocky but a bit edgier than what she had before
I always feel weird saying she should stay true to herself as if I'm assuming I know her, she just has something about her that seems very genuine and real, not just as a person, but artistically. And her style has no doubt been moved towards something more mainstream, which she's talked about before. That's why I feel like she will return to something closer to what she did before while retaining those songs that are 'mature' or talk about tough subjects
That wasn't even the flattest B Flat. It was A5. Shrillness can, at times, be very deceitful. It's AT MOST A5. There's no Bb5 there, at all.
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