Thank pizza pie that it's Free For All Friday! It saves me the hassle of having to throw together a post on Beyonce's sneak attack on the music industry with the release of her self-titled fifth album. If you guys have managed to get your mitts on it- I haven't- feel free to discuss!
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Anyone got a link to aguileras we remain performance?
ReplyDeleteAfter downloading the shit that is iTunes and getting it all to work (it kept on redirecting me to the wrong store) I got Beyonce's album and I just finished listening to all the songs twice + watching the videos. I'm too tired to give a review for every song but I have to say that all the videos are brilliantly directed.
ReplyDeleteShe's not going to have 350 million views like Miley Cyrus with a release like this, but the themes/artsy feel of the videos are far better than most current generation clips. I personally love the Drunk In Love/Heaven/Blue videos because it shows how happy Beyonce is as a person currently and focuses more on a down to earth character, rather than the superstar that she is.
I also love every song aside from 'No Angel' which I.. sort of like, but Pretty Hurts, Drunk In Love and Jealous are probably my favourite ones. Also, Blue Ivy is so damn cute and I'm sure that the last 30 seconds of the Blue song can make even the Beyonce haters smile.
I think the videos make the songs better
ReplyDeleteDD, I know you'll post Beyonce's album review in a few days when you've watched the album (yes, watched, with 18 music videos, the proper way imo to experience this album is to watch the music videos from start to finish, in order. That's the way it was designed) BUT are you going to review ARTPOP, haha? It's been over a month. I just assumed you'd review it, haha.
ReplyDeleteThink I pretty much agree! (including annoying having to download Itunes first!)
ReplyDeleteI think releasing it all with the music videos was a stroke of genius, if I listened to all of the tracks first with no video I think it would of taken me more listens to really get into them, I'm more immediately taken by this album then I was 4. The videos give the songs more immediate interest and context, and I like the idea of them all coming in one package as an "event".
It was nice of Bey just to release it in an ASAP fashion, I imagine she knows how long her fans have been waiting for it!
I wounder what the lead radio singles will be.... Pretty Hurts has my bet.
"BEYONCE KNOWLES-CARTER" IS BACK AND SHE HAS, OFFICIALLY, SCALPED ME BALD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteI, simply, cannot deal with this Woman right now and the 'unexpected slayage'. Everybody's lace-wig is on the floor right now
She has been the "#1 Trending Topic" on 'Twitter, Facebook and in Entertainment News', for the past 15+ hours thus far and it doesn't look as if the buzz will die anytime soon.
I'll be free soon to listen to it in its entirety.
: - D : - D : - D
can you make a vocal profile of david phelps?
ReplyDeleteyou should do a vocal profile concerning Elizabeth Gillies... Well, maybe not right now right now because she does not have a lot of released material, but i think she has an album coming. And she has done many live performances which I thing are really interesting because you can truly hear her vocal abilities.
ReplyDeleteShe may not be famous quite yet but she is a very god singer, with an interesting, beautiful and well controled contralto (I think) voice, and she has a real individuality.
You should check her out (but not her performances on Victorious, watch her performances from when she was on broadway or during lives instead)
I wish I could post a video or at least a link but I'm just so lame I don't know how to do it...
According to my addiction, why not? :P hahahaha I know you're right but this performance is just.....AAAAAH especially the "DRIFTIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIING" part at the end...
ReplyDeleteDon't forget 4 was leaked a few weeks before release, which can't of helped its sales.
ReplyDeleteI, genuinely, believe that both initial and continued success of this album is, and will be, based on its timing.
ReplyDeleteWith "4":
(1.) It was, actually, leaked five days prior to its initial release date.
(2.) "Run The World (Girls)", the song - in spite of its acclaimed music video - was poorly recieved.
(3.) It was a, largely, 'Urban- oriented, Contemporary R&B' album that had NO chance of succeeding in a year - 2011 - where 'Electronic- based, Pop/Dance' music and 'Hip-Hop' was leading the Global, Mainstream, Top 40 charts.
(4.) The little commercial impact that the album did make was purely based off of Beyonce's name alone just like 'Alicia Keys' and 'Mary J Blige' that year too.
@Mperry93 @Nelapsi Stop it !! you're both giving me palpitations!! http://media.tumblr.com/e3cc1238728de84287002101b500622b/tumblr_inline_mpd61842XH1qz4rgp.png
ReplyDeleteI don't think that's aired yet. Maybe this weekend.
ReplyDeleteI am loving it so far!
ReplyDeleteI find it strange how incredibly easy people are manipulated these days. or maybe "strange" is the wrong word and sad or disappointing or possibly even frightening would be more appropriate.
ReplyDeleteI mean..I don't even like Beyonce but actually thought the songs I just heard, the first 5 of that new album, were pleasant background music.. Nothing to cause me at any point to stop whatever else I am doing in order to go "WOW! I have to listen to this particular bit or song" but also nothing to make me stop and say.."okay I want to stop it playing in the background".
Seems to me if it has that effect on someone like me, that means it is pretty middle of the road generic fair.
In short..I hear neither "WOW" not "Blegh" factor in this and seems to me all excitement is purely based on the surprise factor of it's appearance.
Now if only I didn't generally prefer silence over generic pleasant sounds as a background, I might have actually kept the download in my collection. ;-)
I dont particularly dislike the album either but I dont find it to be good enough to be taking up all of Itunes advertising panels.
ReplyDeleteI won't deny the "Beyonce phenomena" power but I didn't think that her "Beys" were of large enough number to have taken over most of the internet and all of itunes. Im not saying Beyonce isnt deserving of her success but im also not going to ignore the possibility that her label might be fabricating the apparent success of this "Monstrous" size of an opening phenomena to make sure everyone gets to see that it does in fact exist since she did nothing to let anyone know it was coming.
ReplyDeleteWhile everybody is being wowed by the appearance of a new Beyonce album...I was wowed by the discovery of the "new" (it dropped last April actually) LeAnn Rimes album Spitfire. A singer I normally have about as much love for as I have for Beyonce. But I am loving this album. It seems, to me, to somehow manage to be "modern Country" yet sound like more classic country at the same time.
ReplyDeleteParticularly loving this song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gnb3DC89Fsg
Come to think of it..can't even remember..did you ever review Bangerz?
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge_NiWX6tzg
ReplyDeleteOnly kidding buddy (sorta) :P
ReplyDelete4 was leaked a month before it's initial release date.
ReplyDeleteI think the marketing plan for the new album are actually ingenious. She kicked off this year with singing the national anthem at Obama's inauguration, and the controversy from the lip syncing episode sure spread quickly (whether intentional or not.) Then actually singing the anthem live at a press conference, then the MASSIVE Superbowl performance that became the most tweeted about moment in history. She also released her documentary, Life is But a Dream. Which she quickly then kicked off a huge tour in spring, which did incredibly well, and also established that Bey doesn't even NEED a new album to sell out arenas. Then the snippets of Grown Woman, Standing On The Sun, and Bow Down/I Been On gave us the tiniest amount of tease so that us rabid wolves would plead and beg for a new album. All while never actually promoting the album itself
ReplyDeleteAnd releasing the album out of the blue (Ivy) was also genius, it avoided overhype, which clearly has been a problem this year, which avoided the potential of a big sales drop the next due to low reviews and fans realizing the album sucks. It allowed the fans to hype up the album itself. And whether Bey really does care about sales or not, this was able to give people the impression that she wants to focus on the music and not the numbers, which makes her seem completely not pretentious and thirsty (I may or may not be shading Gaga's $25 million promo budget.)
Speaking on focusing on the music, what separates the self-titled album and 4 is the sound. "Beyonce" clearly is not mainstream-sounding, there's no song that could predictively be a hit top 40 single. It's an album that Bey has talked about wanting to release. In Life is But A Dream, when describing the process of making 4, she expressed her distaste for music these days, where artists only wanna quickly release albums with a few hit singles to stay relevant and make money (I won't discuss if I detect Rihanna shade in that comment or not.) But 4 still contained songs that were obviously meant for radio, such as Best Thing I Never Had and Run The World, and most songs on it contained clear hooks and catchy singalong verses, clearly still trying to cater to a commercial audience. But the new album completely takes that away, most songs barely have any hint of traditional pop structure, the catchy hooks are replaced with honest croons. Her voice still shines bright, but she stops trying to please anyone but herself with this album, and that sincerity shines through. The fact that each album contains a visual adds to the EXPERIENCE of it. Allowing audiences to indulge themselves into an actual world that Bey has created here. And the so far universal acclaim shows that this is high isn't gonna wear off anytime soon.
I'D ALSO LIKE TO NOTE: Earlier this year, when Bey first said she was beginning a new album, she said that she had two projects lined up this year. Obviously this new album is one of the projects, but it's unclear if the tour, Superbowl performance, Pepsi/H&M promos, etc. were the second. BUT, she's titled this project officially as "'Self-Titled' Part 1 . The Visual Album." Part 1. PART 1. So I think we can gladly look forward to part 2 sometime soon.
Katy Perry and Lady Gaga don't rely on their bodies? Hmmmm
ReplyDeleteAnd I'm pretty sure you can't put Katy on a list that you're also praising vocals on. Girl I like me some Katy, but even I can defend her live vocals for so long.
CĂ©line will be performing at the voice finale,I hope she does a great job, I expect a live performace not a lipped one
ReplyDeleteThat is true. But only a couple of songs were 'leaked' a month before its initial release date as opposed to the ENTIRE album which was 'leaked' five days beforehand.
ReplyDeleteNo, the whole album leaked, minus the target bonus tracks.
ReplyDeleteGoogle it.
Really? Are you sure? Well, thanks anyway. I guess I was wrong...
ReplyDeleteGurl plz, You know you luhh me ;D
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A02N6Ncaa8M
ReplyDeleteI TOTALLY AGREE! I've been rooting for a Gillies VP for a while now. She has an awesome tone with a controlled vibrator. Her range isn't the best, but she has dexterity with what she has acquired. Her best part of her voice are her lows, but she is definitely not a contralto. Her voice is very feminine and girly as the ascend. She hit an A2 in OU (Pretty sure) and hits E3s like they're nothing.
ReplyDeleteHer highest belt right now is an E5 (but it was a growl and shriek type thing).
Anyway, I made a vocal range video a few months back:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdJ1frLMcbw
I do agree, we should wait until her album comes out. I hope she goes places, she really is underrated!
Ok well maybe Lady Gaga and Katy Perry have used their bodies to sell their music albums, but Katy Perry's Unconditionally Music Video was really nice and she was not dressed in a bikini whatsoever just a nice long gown thingy. For Manicure by Lady Gaga, it is catchy... So... it is not really how sex sells that really bothers me, just how mediocre the vocals are maybe? But the sex thing still bothers me a little.
ReplyDeleteYeah Katy is not a really good live singer. I can agree with you on that. But I feel that she is improving and I can give her credit for that. Other than that, I agree completely with your opinion about Lady Gaga and Katy Perry selling their bodies. But at least they have some sort of talent accompanied with their music videos :)
ReplyDeleteI agree too. Although I think that she is a mezzo-soprano because her voice is light enough to be a mezzo. She is making an album on alternative rock music right?
ReplyDeleteMaybe when her album comes we can ask Diva Devotee to make a vocal profile of her? Cos I think now is too early to tell bc like what Ciloprano said, she does not have a lot of released materials or live videos, so her vocal range is very uncertain cos right now her current range is A2 to E5(belt). SO yeah
ReplyDeleteThis album has received universal acclaim lol she is one of the most talented singers I have ever heard. She deserves the skyrocketing sales. :)))
ReplyDeleteYay me too.
ReplyDeleteMy point went to vocals actually. It's beyond me how you can claim Miley's vocals to be mediocre yet praise Katy Perry.
ReplyDeleteI also happen to think that the only thing that sex in videos does is possibly draw some views for the video, but even that...I don't think that even, in this day and age, is what draws people. Sex can be found all over the internet and in a great many more videos than that top ten. Many of those videos are not drawing millions of views.
Seriously dude, Katy's boobs must be blocking your ears..You really are trying to sell Katy has musical talent but this girl does not??? ;-)
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93CZ6oFR8Q0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AC8B4WmySOs
That's some achievement alright..if this album was already "universally" heard, let alone reviewed.
ReplyDeleteAlso, I am part of the universe and I did not "acclaim" it as anything but generic and very middle of the road.
Kelly Clarkson awesomeness..
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_uScP8YAQM
E5 is her highest note. And yeah, that's what I said. We should wait for her new album to come out. I cannot contain my excitement haha
ReplyDeleteCan we discuss how Idina Menzel's version of "Let It Go" is one of the best songs ever? Like, way better than Demi's.
ReplyDeletehttp://youtu.be/moSFlvxnbgk
Well, I have to admit she has talent, yes but I don't like the way she sells it.
ReplyDeleteOkay fine so critical acclaim?
ReplyDeleteMe neither! Lol.
ReplyDeleteI just don't really like the croaky rasp in Miley's voice, but other people do. Katy's vocals may not be the best, but I like the fact that she is improving. I am still trying to get used to Miley's deep rasp thingy.
ReplyDeleteAnyway, regarding both youtube videos you showed me, I am starting to warm up to Miley Cyrus, I just hopes she does not use her body to sell her music videos for too long as it won't get her very far.
ReplyDeleteBeyonce's new album feels a lot like her previous album 4 but with a different advertising strategy Now i know why her label executives said it's going to be "MONUMENTAL"
ReplyDeleteanyway i'm more concern if this strategy of beyonce will mark a new way of selling album/song?
in her generation ?
ReplyDeleteThat just comes down to personal flavor. They are greath versions, I like Demi's version the best, cause I like her belting and tone. So no need to start a useless discussion when we can enjoy that there are two versions of a beautiful song ;)
ReplyDeleteAbout your third reason. "had NO chance of succeeding in a year - 2011 - where 'Electronic- based, Pop/Dance' music and 'Hip-Hop' was leading the Global, Mainstream, Top 40 charts."
ReplyDeleteAdele released 21 early 2011 :/ And yeah.. She made it quite good didn't she? ;)
Beyonce also said she was inspired by adele when making the 4 album.
Not even that. I am pretty sure most serious critics did not yet review an album that dropped just yesterday.
ReplyDeleteHow's about to her fan's acclaim? ;-)
Ok, fan's acclaim sounds fair enough. :)
ReplyDeleteAgain, that is hardly different to how Perry or Gaga sell their work.
ReplyDeleteI think, as is evident from your further remarks, what you really mean is that you just don't like Miley's voice.
Which is I dare say a perfectly good reason not to like her videos :-)
But it doesn't equal somebody having no talent.
It also sounds like you just don't like overt sexual expression on top of that but are willing to excuse it away if you like the tone of a singer.
I think you are confusing your personal taste with artists talents. :-)
I would say critically acclaimed, because 'serious' reviewers actually reviewed it already. This is like the time when you said Ariana Grande is not 'Universally known', and then she got a multiple-platinum record.
ReplyDeleteYeah, I admit I was biased against Miley bc she used her body to sell her videos, but I am getting your point now. I'll try to be more impartial next time :-)
ReplyDeleteIt won't get her very far? I'd say she already got pretty far.
ReplyDeletehow much further can one get than chart top positions and video popularity of this magnitude?
To anyone paying attention, it is clear that she used the media and shock value well initially to draw all attention to her but that in almost every subsequent performance she didn't do anything outlandish. Other than actually sing her song really live and usually delivering. Both of which admittedly are in today's pop scene fairly outlandish. LOL
And in the meantime she is also doing stuff like the above video, demonstrating she is more than just "shock" value.
No, as in, what I mean is that I hope she does not try to use sex to sell her music videos. Yes, she has gone pretty far, but a lot of people have been bashing her and calling her names(which I will not list out). I just wished that she'd create music videos that are not so provocative in the future. But I see that she is having a lot of fun so I wish her all the best in her music career.
ReplyDeleteImpartial is good but I think my point was more to be more honest.
ReplyDeleteNot liking a voice or the way they sell their work are just fine reasons to plainly state imo. :-)
What's imo?
ReplyDeleteYes, I think it is clear you don't like too much sex in videos. Again that is just fine. That is your taste. :-)
ReplyDeleteMaybe it has to do with your age or your background?
Its an abbreviation for In My Opinion
ReplyDeleteYeah it's all about my taste in music - I have never liked artists who expose themselves in music videos. Yeah.
ReplyDeleteOh. Ok lol thanks
ReplyDeleteWhy are you concerned about that Josh?
ReplyDeleteReally? Links please :-)
ReplyDeleteI'd be curious to read what serious critics said about this album.
and btw...I was correct in that Ariana was not "universally known". She still isn't really. But she definitely is more widely known after her album dropped than before it did.
As the following stats show..her album did real well in a couple of the countries it got dropped but it didn't even chart in many other countries it dropped.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yours_Truly_%28Ariana_Grande_album%29
"Secret" albums / "Surprise" album drops is a marketing scheme.
ReplyDeleteWell, there's no arguing with taste. Which is why I say it's the best argument LOL
ReplyDeleteNo problem. :-)
ReplyDeleteAnd...
ReplyDeleteIf you had read, and tried to understandabd internalize, my comment properly, you will know that I was speaking, specifically, about "Urban- oriented, Contemporary R&B" music. Adele's "21" was, by and large, a 'Pop- based' album and was heavily marketed towards 'Mainstream markets' as opposed to Beyonce's "4" which was, primarily, intended for 'R&B' audiences, something of which she herself, and Colombia records, stated. The success of the album was only due to her name alone.
That was my point. >>>
I think its bc Ariana's songs are not so 'today' cos it brings back the 90s feel, so it didn't really do well in some countries but she did well overall and her album has received critical acclaim praising her album as well.
ReplyDeleteAs am I.
ReplyDeleteIt has scored a "85/100" rating on 'Metacritic' thus far... This is, easily, one of the most universally acclaimed albums of 2013/2014. - She will be rolling in awards come next season, no doubt.
I thoroughly agree.
ReplyDeleteIt has scored a "85/100" credit rating on 'Metacritic' thus far.
This is, easily, one of the most universally acclaimed albums of 2013/2014 and her most artistic and innovative piece of work yet, for Beyonce's standards of course.
Never mind..I found them. I stand corrected.
ReplyDeleteAnd thoroughly suspicious. If within one day of dropping New York Times, Billboard, entertainment weekly, The guardian, The Observer and the Telegraph manage to review this album and give such a generic sounding album scores of 80 and 90...I tend to wonder.
500K in 3 days? I'm curious to what she would have been able to do with a full week of sales.
ReplyDeleteAll things we've been saying for years. Bad habits, uncaring attitude, children,... altho, i'm pretty sure her breakdown was actually linked to her losing her voice back in the day. The only thing I don't agree with is her not being consistant, when the great performance mentioned was obviously dubbed.
ReplyDeleteBut yeah, it's sad :-/
I think she did an amazing Job but Idina's voice doesn't sound like it matches the character. Ive yet to see the movie but I might get distracted at the Wicked Witches voice coming out of a Magical Princess.
ReplyDeleteDoesn't matter what the reasons are, No One's remark went to the fact that I, a while before Grande's album dropped, argued that Grande was not as widely known as someone at the time was claiming.
ReplyDeleteMy remark now goes to the fact that obviously, she still isn't "universally known"
The Beatles, Madonna, Michael Jackson..those are people who are "universally known"
If an album for instance doesn't even chart in France, I will put money down on betting...most french have not heard of Ariana Grande. And last I heard..France IS still part of "the universe". ;-)
Claiming this girl is "universally known" was and, at this point, still is a gross exaggeration.
Fact that those who did hear of her like the album is neither here nor there in this regard.
I have a sneaky suspicion much of the no doubt available large promo budget went to certain critics under the table. ;-)
ReplyDeleteYou should see how Billboard's reviewer is promoting Beyonce on his twitter.
And several of the reviews were written by reviewers who normally seldom write album reviews.
of course that is based on 8 reviews. Most albums have at least 20 reviews.
ReplyDeleteAs am I...
ReplyDelete'Billboard' is saying that she may debut at #1 this week with of over '200+K' however her full- week sales, thus her second week sales, will easily surpass '500+K' once both the albums 'Digital' & 'Physical' sales aspects come into fruition.
Have you listened to the album yet? What do you think?
In that light, the tour numbers DD just posted are interesting Brian.
ReplyDeletebecause if it wasn't for the high ticket costs..Beyonce's tour attendance wouldn't even be in last years top 10 it seems.
Don't you think that is quite the achievement then, considering she has scored such high credit points with less reviews? : - )
ReplyDelete*Waves at Opie*
LOL No I don't.
ReplyDeleteBecause generally..more reviews tend to lower the average.
I also do not trust those 8 reviews one damn bit. One of the reviewers is tweeting so hard promoting the album, it is clear his is hardly a unbiased review, some of the other reviewers are folks who normally don't write album reviews.
And if you look at other albums, you will find that most reviews appear over a period of time. These 8 all being top publications and all suddenly reviewing an totally unexpected album at the drop of a hat within hours of it appearing..I find it all very suspicious.
And rating what sounds to me rather generic fare that highly...
I defintely agree on this one. A lot more personality with it, but Demi still did a nice job but it did not feel very natural on her. That's all.
ReplyDeleteOkay. I get your point now. I just hope more people recognise her bc she is one of the most talented vocalists of today.
ReplyDeleteL.M.F.A.O.
ReplyDeletePreach your truth Girl...!!!
Well, everybody is entitled to their opinion, I suppose, irrespective of how 'logical' or 'illogical' that opinion may be. However, personally speaking, I think the album is much deserved of its acclaim.
Have you actually listened to the album? I'm curious to know what you think?
I so far listened to the first 5 tracks. I thought it neither wows nor anti wows. It doesn't distract in any way..positively or negatively.
ReplyDeleteGeneric but very well made generic.
There is btw nothing "illogic" about my suspicions.
And I did not claim to speak any "truths" Coleman. I stated I was suspicious and stated researched facts as to why.
But nice attempt to dismiss all that as "illogical".
Doesn't wash for me but I am sure it will for fellow ardent Beyonce fans.
Perhaps the 880,000 some who were "universally" willing to attend one of her concerts? ;-)
Oh this is great, I'll definitely watch your video!
ReplyDeleteWell, I was hesitating between her being a contralto or a mezzo (but a "low one" I think, because her voice is deep)...... she has great control so her voice is pretty versatile, I love when she uses her head voice for instance, and she can sound very girly and feminine... But I don't know, she is still very young and yet she has a very mature and deep voice... I'm very confused... I think we should wait for more songs from her before immediately claffifying her...
Yes she was on broadway with her friend Ariana so she probably where she learnt a lot...
By the way, I love this cover of Santa Baby: it's still pretty close to the original but with a very flirty, girly, i-don't-really-know-what pleasing touch. And I love Ariana and Liz's voices and harmonies... Their voices are so different but fit well together...
And sorry for my bad grammar, i'm still working on improving my English
Billboard's reviewer is the one using his twitter to push this album avidly. ;-)
ReplyDeleteI can't wait for her album, I think this girl can be a beautiful surprise for the music industry...
ReplyDeleteHave you seen her live perforances from when she had a concert recently? There are not a lot of videos on Youtube, but the ones that you can find are very promising, you can hear pretty well how genuine (is that word correct?) and unique she is.. She has a great personality and a good voice
I totally agree. I live in France, and she is toally unknown... (and I regret it, because She is a singer that I love).
ReplyDeleteShe starts to be known a little, she had a few interviews at a few radio stations and magazines but that's it. The fact is, she is only known by some teenagers, and 10 year-old kids who watch Nickelodeon (and nick is not a popular channel here, not every family has access to it, and other children channels have the lead) So, she is only considered as a singer for little girls, a singer you should be ashamed of past 14, or she is not considered at all. We have the same problem with Demi Lovato, who has grown a lot since her Disney period and has become an artist and a strong woman, but we are still "stuck" in her Camp Rock era... This is too bad we have so much prejudice...
So yes, Ariana Grande is not really a famous and reknown international artist quite yet... But she has the potential to become one that's for sure...
her tone sometimes remind me of Lady Gaga's, but iwith a unique touch... I don't know... But I find her voice prettier than Gaga's though...;
ReplyDeleteWhere in my comment did I say that you're comment was 'illogical'? : - /
ReplyDeleteAnyway, clearly, one cannot speak hypothetically towards you or be ironic/sarcastic with you because you constantly take things the wrong way.
When I said "Preach Your Truth", it was simply a play-on-words, a humour pun. It didn't mean anything.
So, let us just agree to disagree shall we? I, along with millions of others, appreciate the album, as do many critics, just as there are many who do not. The end.
Yes, my argument was purely regarding fame. Not to ability.
ReplyDeleteI think regarding that ...she indeed has lots of ability. Now what she needs is a musical identity.
Considering her age, I think it's fair to have the hope that she might develop one. But I have to say...I think it is, at this point, a bit of a question mark.
lol, it's charming how your arguments changed. Last time, you wrote how NY and LA were the centres and that if you proved to be popular there, then you're considered to be hugely popular. And now you're arguing how she's not known because of her sales. I actually alternate between Paris and Geneva (you can even ask DD to check my IP address location, and I can honestly tell you that she's actually very well-known in the places in France where I've been, but the problem is that her sound itself does not excite the French enough as a collective. And the argument that she is considered to be 'kiddy' is just plain stupid.Her songs are everywhere in gay bars.
ReplyDeleteAnd come on just because you have your biases against Beyoncé doesn't mean this new album is dull. I can expand on the marvelous structure of this album, but it's been noted everywhere.
Are you kidding me? Well Coleman...maybe it was in the lines "Well, everybody is entitled to their opinion, I suppose, irrespective of
ReplyDeletehow 'logical' or 'illogical' that opinion may be. However, personally
speaking, I think the album is much deserved of its acclaim."
And seriously, "millions appreciate the album"???
Way too early to tell that. "millions" have not been sold yet.
Nor "many critics". 7 is not "many" and one of those 7 only gave it a 60.
You really ought to be getting some of Beyonce's promo budget!
L.M.A.O.
ReplyDeleteOk...
uhm nope I never claimed any such thing. I think you are confusing the guy who argued me with me.
ReplyDeleteAnd I used "kiddy" both in a particular context and prior to her album dropping.
What is not at all charming is you misquoting me, plucking things out of context and time and putting words in my mouth.
I never said "dull". I said generic. ( If you are interested,you can find the different meanings in any dictionary)
If you are not known by a large public, getting your album on the charts is a way to become known. Not getting your album on the chart is an indication you are not well known outside of your fan base. Which it seems is not big enough to get your album charted.
And just now another person living in France agreed that she is indeed not widely known there.
Just because you and the people you know heard of Ariana doesn't mean everybody did. It just means that "quelle surprise"...you and the people you hang with have similar interests and share information.
Happy to make you laugh that hard Coleman. But maybe I should stop doing that because you are already a fit dude...you don't wanna go laughing that muscle off now. ;-D
ReplyDeleteOMG Liz Gillies did a cover of Wrecking Ball By Miley Cyrus it is so beautiful I just can't. Idk if you have seen the video but I will put the link here anyways. So beautiful <3 <3
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWNyDbncl88
And also she did Give it Up live too, same day at the same place :)
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_K2ykTXgEb0
Sorry that's all I can find. She doesn't do a lot of live shows.
ReplyDeleteOops, that's true. Sorry. Didn't mean to.
ReplyDeleteAnd that's why I said I was French. The person below clearly just goes in those placess with prejudice fucktards (lot of those here; just look at the French news).
And whether it is generic or dull, the fact of the matter is that it is actually not that 'generic' in other's ears. Generic would mean that the album should have an aggregate score closer to 50. I'm just saying that you should listen more closely to the songs and bla bla.
Really? You just called me a fucktard?
ReplyDeleteReally? I thought she did a great job, I think she nailed it. It certainly sounds more authentic with her voice than Demi's.
ReplyDeleteLove this cover!
ReplyDeleteI would like to know the consensus for the way we think beyoces new album sounds. Is it too similar to 4? I quite enjoyed what i listen to.
ReplyDeleteI don't like all this shade being thrown in Miley's way. I've actually been a fan of hers for a long time (since the HM days). I got into her music because of her voice, especially hearing "See You Again". I rooted for her the whole time during this crazy 2013 year. If you are somewhat aware of her past, you'd know that her albums sold HUGE numbers with her clothes on. Much of her old fan base is still supporting her now. I actually like how she is now. Her confidence is quite inspiring with all the hate thrown her way. It makes her detractors look even more pathetic.
ReplyDeleteAbout your "list"... I think Demi uses her rehab sob stories to sell her music rather than her voice. I'm sick of the pity parties. And that mediocre performance of "Neon Lights" on the X Factor (where ironically, she is a judge)... Katy is also a poor live singer and Lorde has had her struggles (though I like her)
Me too :0
ReplyDeletelol, that remark didn't even contextually acknowledged you. I actually support your statement on Ariana Grande's 'sound' having limited appeal.
ReplyDeleteAnd even then I'm not referring to anyone here as a fucktard. Read.
Idina's is WAYYY better. It just sounds more realistic if this was going to be a real broadway show.
ReplyDeleteAt least Demi does not show off her skin and Demi Lovato puts her clothes on in her music videos. I am not saying that Miley is a slut or anything, I just do not like the way she sells her music videos, especially in 'Wrecking Ball'. I agree that she is having fun and is almost, if not is already at the peak of her music career and can go even further with her already huge fanbase gathered from Hannah Montana and other stuff.
ReplyDeleteHowever, Demi Lovato has a more troubling past so she can connect with her music better, she is not really using her rehab sob stories to sell her music, People pity her bc her past is really hellish and no one would want to go through that. She makes her music videos based on her troubling past is so that she can connect with her music more.
I also agree with you on the fact that she sometimes give very pitchy live performances and during those times the audience would think that she needs autotune or something like that, however, even though Demi struggles pitch-wise live, she performs fairly well and she is not sparking off controversies with her music video, instead basing mostly on vocals to sell her music.
However, I am not saying that Miley has no talent or that Miley's fans are stupid or whatsoever, I am just saying that well, maybe you love Miley, but I don't really like her - it is our opinions you know? Maybe someday I will be a Smiler, but for now I am not a Smiler, neither am I a Lovatic.
At your last point regarding Katy and Lorde's struggles during live performances, Katy has always been known to go off-key lot in the past, but she is giving more and more solid vocal performances, something which I would be happy to give her credit for. What I am trying to say is, that all singer have their struggles, just like Miley who struggles at notes above A5.
All in all, all I am trying to say is, you may not like how I bash Miley for using her body to sell her music video, but this is my Point Of View, not many people would agree with my POV, but I am fine with that. Yeah, no scolding/offensive tone intended. :))))
I feel like mariah might be to stubborn to get a vocal coach lol.
ReplyDeleteWell sorry if I misunderstood you its just that when you said 'the person below', my username was under your comment, and then you said something about that person below goes with fucktards and stuff so I misinterpreted. Anyways, what exactly were you talking about in that comment cos I didn't get it.
ReplyDeleteOh I think it matches very well. Elsa is a Queen, the Snow Queen. She is powerful, she is not a sweet princess, she is a supernatural being. The edge and belting in Idina's voice helps convey that, which goes very well with tha traditionally more princess-like voice of Kristine who plays Anna.
ReplyDeleteThat happens to a lot of pop artists, they feel like if they take voice lessons consistently, they are somehow less of a natural talent. And even her fans, who don't know music, think that taking a couple of voice lessons when little will set you up for life.
ReplyDeleteQuick question. Does anyone know if that G5 in 'Toxic' By Britney is falsetto or just a really mixed belt? It's hard to tell. Here is the note:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb2b85pY210
If it was up to me, the album would rate about a 72. Which isn't bad but it's not a masterpiece.
ReplyDeleteWith generic I simply mean that it sticks pretty much to the middle of the road within it's genre.
I am not a fan of Beyonce and it doesn't speak to me. I think albums which can be considered deserving a rate of 85 or 90 are the kind of albums that manage to capture an audience not already fans.
I just don't think this album has the wow factor to do that.
Maybe it does have that to people already into the genre who will recognize little nuances but the non fan one needs to Grab..Nuances don't register with non fans. They are not going to spent time listening a few times to an album which doesn't immediately grab them at some level.
But like I say, there's nothing to grate the non fan either and it is undoubtedly well produced. Which is why below 70 would seem to me too low a rating.
I think we should not take the rating as anything set yet until, like most albums, about 20 or so reviews are in. I believe than you have a average critics rating which can be taken seriously.
Who knows...that could be as high as it is now or it could be a tad lower.
If you say it like that, then one could equate Christina to Whitney or Mariah and justify that with 'personal taste'. There are some things that are beyond personal taste- for instance, Demi's runs were messy and out of control, sounding discordant. Her upper belting sounded creaky, which may or may not indicate tension. Idina's version, I believe, was technically 'better'.
ReplyDeleteFrom what I have seen and read, Mariah usually refers to her mother for guidance since her mother is a professional opera singer and vocal coach. But I am most positive she does in fact see a laryngologist when she has any sort of worry.
ReplyDeleteI suppose im more used to Disneys tradition of keeping female leads fluttery and smooth rather than edgey and strong.
ReplyDelete1 word. POWERHOUSE!!!
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcCm_ySBslk Serious fucking emotion right here.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiVDzTT4CbE
ReplyDeleteI love her.
Well, I think Elsa is the first "belter" princess, all the other ones didn't belt out heavily like that.
ReplyDeleteIt's mixed voice, but a bit off her air
ReplyDeleteWhat a emotive voice she has. Her phrasing is unbelievable.
ReplyDeleteDon't think she's ever going to be universally know, or even close to it. She's kind of sorely lacking in... shall we say, 'essentials'.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbOGs1Nl1kQ This
ReplyDeleteI really like the album, I'm especially enjoying the more ratchet/hood/ghetto beats, LOL! Her high C's in "***Flawless" >>>>>>>>>>Every other vocal performance by any other chick in the last 10 years.
ReplyDeletewell i think it's interesting. Surprising everyone with your new album then releasing teasers for every song. This hasn't been done by anyone and Beyonce is sure making lots of money, she sold 80000 copies in just 3 hours
ReplyDeleteHands down, one of my fav EPs.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXJAp0s3tuM
I love this Beyonce album and was pleasantly surprised Friday
ReplyDeleteWell Idina has been singing for almost 30 years and has been alot on Broadway, so of course she will be a better technical singer then a 20 year old who just had her tonsils removed...
ReplyDeleteL.M.A.O.
ReplyDeleteYESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS, 'Primo'.
After listening to '***Flawless', the first time I heard it, my wig was well, and truly, snatched.
I also love 'Yonce' & 'Blow'.
"He Monica Lewisnky'd all over my dress"... : - D
Yes, it's very clever and seems to be working like a charm.
ReplyDeleteBut since you said "concerned", I thought you didn't like the strategy.
Personally I think it's a welcome relief no to have all that pre nonsense. Of course that's because I am from an era where it usually worked like this..albums just dropped. ;-)
LOL don't know who voted this down but fyi..it was meant as a compliment to Coleman ( have you SEEN the dude? he is well fit!) and to indicate no hard feelings from my side regarding disagreeing.
ReplyDeleteYes I've seen these... And I'm going to watch them once more! :)
ReplyDeleteYes that's too bad she does not perform a lot...But I'm keeping my fingers crossed and hope for more of Gillies' voice
Let's hope together:)
ReplyDeletei'm totally with you that Bey's new album isn't a wow and not so wow but please agree with me that this is an improvement from her previous flop album? LOL anyway someone commented me that coleman isn't the true man in the pic and linked me of a tumblr account
ReplyDeleteHow ironic... Considering that I have proven myself to be 'me' on multiple occasions. What reasons would I have to lie about who I am? Seriously? I could, easily, give you my 'Instagram/Tumblr' account if you wish.
ReplyDeleteNICOLE SCHERZINGER JUST BELTED A B5 WHAT EVEN THE ACTUAL FUCK AHHHHHHHHHH
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXXBVcbvF_o&sns=fb
DIVA YOU HAD BETTER GET AMONGST THIS HAHA
HOLY SHIT SHE KILLS THIS SONG
THE OTHER CHICK IS GOOD TOO LIKE REALLY GOOD BUT WHAT EVEN THE FUCK NICOLE SCHERZINGER YOU ARE THE LEAD SINGER OF THE PUSSYCAT DOLLS I KNOW YOU CAN SING BUT FUCK YOU JUST SAAAANNGG OMG I AM DEAD
I have no idea why you are being down-voted Hon...
ReplyDeletelol sorry i should have put "allegedly" anyway i believe we haven't met yet so i don't have something to say to that person who irrelevantly replied to me. i neither believe him/her/it or care about what he/she/it said. as much as possible i want to stay away from issues not concerning me. it's funny that this is the way we have to meet. i should have personally told you that.
ReplyDeletewhat part? i don't want to watch the whole thing... sorry
ReplyDeletewait.. forget about this. the girl sounded good
ReplyDeletei prefer sam than nicole. honestly what's with nicole? she sounded raspy and her belts are strained and almost choked
ReplyDeleteThe belted B5 is 2:15. The whole thing is pretty special; both girls have explosive ranges and a nice rasp/growl to their vocals in this.
ReplyDeleteThe only strained note Nicole hits in this is the B5, and that's a little understandable. The rest are flawless, haha. Neutral larynx, beautiful resonant, soft palate (harmless) rasp/growl when she uses it, instead of the throaty resonance the other girl and most people use.
ReplyDeletei find her upper belts thin and tense and the rasp sounded awful. don't get me wrong i like nicole. i almost went to her concert back then but i was just 10 and no one would like to accompany me cause my family wanted to go to the black eyed peas concert.
ReplyDeletealso i feel like she's kinda overshadowing the contestant. just ALMOST like what JHud did with candice in AI.
Okay. That's perfectly understandable... Nice to meet you nonetheless. lol.
ReplyDeleteSo, all in all, what do you think of Beyonce's new project? ;)
i don't want to use "universally" cause im sure the aliens have different opinion
ReplyDeletei think it's a very huge step from 4 but it still feels like 4 to me for some reason. i think the hype is happening because of her surprise attack but i read a column that says that after i get over Bey's "surprise" the album will sink in. so im still at the moment of taking it in
ReplyDeletei can't believe you just said "very little marketing" The woman released 17 teasers which is 30 sec part of each videos. i wouldn't call that little marketing i'd like to call that smart marketing! anyway 4 is just bad
ReplyDeleteI think this misuse of the term "universal acclaim" comes from idiots of the Metacritics site using it as the term for amateur reviews.
ReplyDeleteI never was into that site but seeing as Coleman linked to it, I now saw their use of it. And seeing as the people using it also seem to frequent that site...I guess that's why they use it in arguments.
Unless people disagree because they think your (it says guest but I am guessing it's you Coleman?) ass could stand to lose a bit? ;-)
ReplyDeleteBut like I said, that seems hard to imagine.:-)
I can't do that Josh because I never listened to 4.
ReplyDeleteI know, I saw that link but that person is assuming "coleman" to be a "real" name. I am taking it's an internet tagname.
But of course, this is the internet so who knows really.
Usually if there's a well used facebook connected one can assume a bit more securely that someone is who they say they are but generally....it's mostly a matter of presuming for sake of general conversation that they are who they say they are.
Remember a while back the biggest news publications in the world were taken for a ride by an overweight slob somewhere in a flat in Britain who was claiming to be a lesbian blogger in captivity in Syria? LOL
Meh, it lacks something in the emotional factor for me. ;-)
ReplyDeleteIt does a bit but her voice is so smooth and she belted the high notes effortlessly :)
ReplyDeleteActually, I am just curious how she kinda lacks in the emotional factor?
ReplyDeletei don't look at reviews in metacritic or any critics regarding music because i find them, most of the time, inaccurate because music is VERY subjective unlike film. and LOL the "universally" thing i never heard such nonsense, widely or critically are usually the ones critics use and let's keep in our mind that these critics can be bought by music labels so as much as possible let's not believe in them
ReplyDeleteYes, it was me. I don't know why 'Disqus' keeps doing this.
ReplyDeleteAnyway, LOL, I will happily 'lose a bit'. I am not always right in the slightest. You, on the other hand, are quite the debator and your arguments are always solid. I do see some people turn on you though...
LOL i never heard that story but that's too funny that i just checked that out.but i do know about the story that a football player in USA thought he was dating a woman online but he thought wrong. he was dating a guy for a really long years. that was too funny but when i realized how bad it was i felt really bad for the NFL guy
ReplyDeleteReally? Don't go too skinny though. That's not attractive. :-)
ReplyDeleteI don't mind people "turning on me".
I just myself would not have picked that particular comment to down vote. So many other comments I'd say more worthy. LOL
Anyway..thanks. I try to argue with solid arguments. :-)
I am not "believing" her. Sounds like she is singing it just fine but not really feeling it.
ReplyDeleteOf course seeing as I a a fan of Miley because I think her voice really has that quality where everything she sings sounds like she means it, I am not as unbiased as I could be. ;-)
Maybe it's also because I just saw these master sessions on singing in which they talk about that aspect a lot.
It's well done though, this cover.
But also, I am not really liking this girl's tone.
"let's keep in our mind that these critics can be bought by music labels"
ReplyDeleteLOL That is very much on the forefront of my mind this weekend Josh. ;-)
It's okay if you don't like the girl's tone, I have to agree that Miley emotes her songs well, better than a lot of singers.
ReplyDeleteAh see..but I care way more about believing the emotion than a particular note being sung. That's why I am a fan of Americana/country/bluegrass more than of any other genre.
ReplyDeleteYes. Tone is completely subjective of course. :-)
ReplyDeleteAh I see, I respect your expectations in sung notes - emotions. :)
ReplyDeleteYes, but what exactly differentiates a good tone from a bad one, in your opinion?
ReplyDeleteShe reminds me of nina simone
ReplyDelete"Diva" happened. She thinks she's less of a vocalist if she takes vocal lessons and so drinks smokes and doesn't even do warm ups before performances.....Somebody needs to give her a wakeup call and tell her she's freakin' human and Nick needs to knock her up again
ReplyDeleteHow was Mariah's performance in Nigeria or dunno where?
ReplyDeleteNo way she removed them, it needs lots of time to recover and she has to rest her voice for a couple of months before the surgery, right?
ReplyDeletePrimo, Opie....SHUT UP
ReplyDeleteI hear that too a bit.
ReplyDeleteIt think it's different than 4 as it doesn't have any big radio single songs like Run The World or Best Thing I Never Had was. And it's also a lot more minimal, even in vocal delivery, it's a lot softer and subtle, even the belts sound really soft at times. There's also a lack of strong song structure in most of the songs, 4 had many "verse, chorus, verse, chorus, bridge, final chorus" songs, but Beyonce seems to lack that, or at least it's harder to differentiate which part of a song is which.
ReplyDeleteFound this beauty today :)
ReplyDeleteA 13 sek B4 belt from Demi Lovato, when she was 19. It's strong, clean and just perfect!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHQfRUhpxwM&list=PLCBYicnTx84oRFWj90OmaWkO7blTSaFrV#t=141
Lovatic... Mind your own business. You are not a moderator here.
ReplyDeleteAlso it seems to have escaped your notice...not only did we both stop posting in this thread days ago, I also stated I am going to ignore any and all posts by Primo in future. By my OWN accord babe!
I don't think there is any objective difference. It's purely subjective. It all depends on a person's hearing, brain and taste what they think is a good or a bad tone.
ReplyDeleteI am a big Tom Waits fan and a big Alison Krauss fan. I don't think in tone two singers could be further apart. LOL
Tom is to many people unbearable. Even Alison is to some(mind blowing as the latter is to me. The former I understand )
Guuuuurrrrrl you just set your ass up to get double dragged... you better duck for cover while you can because them frags are coming down!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteI'm so sorry... But I just can't help myself but go for the jugular when someone disagrees with me. If you don't accept my opinion as their life essence and blood then we're gonna have a serious....serious problem.... BUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.....lol....JK. Or am I???
ReplyDeleteAwww it's private. :/
ReplyDeleteAnyways, I do lover her belts. They're very gritty and powerful. I see her as a spinto soprano more than anything, so I have no idea why she is labelled as a Mezzo on here. Her unreleased songs seem to be the best IMO. "I M.I.S.S. U" ft Pharrell is an awesome one!
Those belts at the end. I do agree with Simon, I just want her to let go! I feel like she's containing herself too much and sticking with the script.
ReplyDeleteThank you, it sounded mixed but very head dominant.
ReplyDeleteI would to like her to let loose as well. Though I do like that she's being reserved because I always felt that this song was meant to be reserved. Idk though. I want to see the full extent of her range though.
ReplyDeleteTrue. Although some of Ariel's performances had quite the vocals and belts.
ReplyDeleteOh. Ok thanks for answering my qn :D
ReplyDeleteNo problem, I thought it was a nice question. :-)
ReplyDelete:)
ReplyDeleteYou need to watch this:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swDaYvrvy8o
CĂ©line's voice is back more powerful than ever, I think she only struggles a little with Loved me back to life live performance, maybe because of nerves or lord knows why. Also she hit the same studio notes in MHWGO live 16 years after !
Poor Mimi
No need for the Mariah shade but amazing video, thanks for posting! It's insane how her voice is still this powerful.
ReplyDeleteI am a contralto and A3 to me is a high low register i call it my humming register. Are those girls in your class taking steroids?? Lol. I need their tips to be a better contralto give them my contacts...
ReplyDeleteI think she even got polyps or nodes in the 80's and she saw a good doctor that restored her voice...
ReplyDeleteBec voice classification are studied to mold them or to place them as a character in the arts of opera roles... Some cases many opera singer train to be a different classification to get different roles like Leontyne Price who was known as a spinto trained to be dramatic to get heroine roles or tragic roles.
ReplyDeleteMost cases in opera the intermediate voices are trained closest to the vocal classification they intend for the role to be.
In contemporary roles music is artistic choices as oppose to example a contralto being limited to witch or whore roles in opera. A contralto voice is not placed as an operatic character or role in contemporary music allowing intermediate voices to artistic make choices for themselves and their contemporary success.
I love that song, actually it's the most popular song from Hunger games. I am just glad Xtina is getting back with successful music, after her last 2 albums...
ReplyDeleteWell why would Jessica need to prove anything at this point, none of her other fellow singers are worth 1 billion like she is... lol..
ReplyDeleteAll she needs is to show her bank account and Britney, Xtina, Beyonce, Gaga, And all the singers from her generation can just stare at her big boobs.. lmao